Merge[]
The information on the two pages is pretty redundant considering these are forms of the same basic enemy. It's like having separate pages for each boss transformation. Well, time to wait for the input. Axiomist (talk) 06:43, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- That and I've seen people constantly switching names between the 'two'. One moment it is called Gel, the next it is Zol. They're basically the same. The Goron Moron 06:58, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Reading through the two articles is like Deja Vu. I say go ahead with the merge. --Ionizer 10:17, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- I think the two articles are rather similar, but because they are different enemies, I think they should remain separate. They are given separate entries in just about every guide or manual in which they appear. They are a part of the same family of enemies, but they are different. The articles do sound similar though, partially because I did a fair amount of the editing for these two pages awhile back and at the time was linking to manuals and such for precise definitions as Nintendo had them. Basically, I think the style I edited them and the wording has contributed to the redundancy. Nevertheless, I think these are NOT variations of the same enemy... like stalfos colors... but just part of the same family. I'm in favor of keeping them separated. Mases 17:15, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
- DO IT. Noble Wrot 03:20, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
- While they may have separate entries everywhere else, they originate from the parent being, and should be at least on the parent being's page. It's really a quality over quantity issue. You said it yourself, there is a good amount of redundancy, however, I believe that would occur no matter how it is written, since there is such an overlap with these two enemies. I believe if this merge is not done at the present time, future wiki-ers will do it anyway considering the defense I have placed above. So, YES, please merge. — ciprianotalk 03:52, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
- What would the title of the merged article be? Ganondorfdude11 05:42, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
- While they may have separate entries everywhere else, they originate from the parent being, and should be at least on the parent being's page. It's really a quality over quantity issue. You said it yourself, there is a good amount of redundancy, however, I believe that would occur no matter how it is written, since there is such an overlap with these two enemies. I believe if this merge is not done at the present time, future wiki-ers will do it anyway considering the defense I have placed above. So, YES, please merge. — ciprianotalk 03:52, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
- DO IT. Noble Wrot 03:20, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Most likely Zol, because not only is the Zol the main, mother form, but the Gel could have it's own redirected section, as it is just a part of the main form. — ciprianotalk 05:46, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'd support this merge! Jeangabin 08:12, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
- This should be merged because Gels come from Zol, they are part of Zols. We don't find that much Gel alone in the game without slicing a Zol. May a similar merge should be made for thr Bit, Bot and Big Bot from Zelda II? Jeangabin 08:24, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
New Image for the Zol Article[]
Here's a new image of a Zol from Zelda Dungeon! Thanks for reading this!
http://www.zeldadungeon.net/plogger/plog-content/images/skyward-sword/screenshots/rvl_zeldass_04ssls10_e3.png ZeldaHearts2010, 29 June 2010, 21:33 (UTC)
Skyward Sword[]
Has it actually been confirmed that the ones in Skyward Sword are Zol? They seem like ChuChus to me. I mean, sure they split like Zol, but the Chu in Twilight Princess split too, and these ones in Skyward Sword can merge together again (as seen in the Ancient Cistern video) - like Chus but unlike Gels. It seems more likely to me that such an enemy in a 3D Zelda game would be a Chu rather than a Zol. Fyrisvellir 09:14, 15 October 2011 (EDT)
- I personally think you might be right, unless it was named somewhere that they are Zols. Its very hard to tell the differences between some slime enemies just by look, and even by behavior. I also think that unless an enemy is specifically named in a preview we should not put it in an article anywhere on the wiki yet, because it causes problems when things are misnamed. I have been avoiding new information, but the only enemies I know that have been named are Deku Babas, Bokoblins, Stalfos, Octoroks and Lizalfos (I think). But like I said, I haven't been keeping up on the details. I do know that these slime enemies were in the very original demo, but weren't named. Fizzle 09:28, 15 October 2011 (EDT)
- Yeah, I agree somewhat, but I don't mind it so much when it's made clear that they have been given temporary fan-created names like the Scorpion currently. I mean, that article will need to exist at some point anyway, and we already have information about it. Some enemies whose names haven't been officially revealed are quite clearly new designs of existing creatures (like the Moblin and Lizalfos) - they aren't officially, but y'know, Occam's Razor... The problem with this Zol article in particular is that the creature in question isn't something with an unrevealed name as such; it could be either of two different existing creatures. It could, of course, be a Zol, but I think the evidence to the contrary warrants a position in the ChuChu article instead. Like I say, I don't know if it has been officially revealed as a Zol, but I've been following the game extremely closely and can't find anything that says so. Fyrisvellir 10:23, 15 October 2011 (EDT)
- Have you checked any live playthroughs? I vaguely remember Nintendo rep in maybe a Gametrailers video who referred to certain enemies as Bokoblins and Stalfos and such, so perhaps that is where they are from. I agree with you on stuff like the Scorpion, although I worry that if the game doesn't reveal any real names people will latch onto their assumed names too closely. Like you say, if people assume this is a Zol, and its never named, but people keep finding it on this page, it'll become common thought that its a Zol even if its not one. Some games STILL suffer from this, so hopefully the game contains the real names of every monster somewhere. I'm not gonna check any new material but I'll look at some old E3 stuff to see if it was named, but I think you suspect correctly and it wasn't. Fizzle 14:40, 15 October 2011 (EDT)
- I've checked pretty much every video there is, and nowhere have I seen it called a Zol. I mean, it didn't even appear in action until the Ancient Cistern video, as far as I can see. That's true about the names, I completely agree. Yeah, it's a problem when they're never named. Well, if you're avoiding new material, I won't spoil anything, but one small detail we do know is that Fi can tell you about enemies like Navi and Tatl could. There's a recent screenshot that confirms this. So I imagine we'll be getting to see their names. Fyrisvellir 14:53, 15 October 2011 (EDT)
- Thats awesome news, I've missed that so much since TWW, but at least that had figurines, TP didn't even have that. Fizzle 15:19, 15 October 2011 (EDT)
- Yeah, I missed it too. I kinda wish there was a figurine collection for Skyward Sword, where you could get one every time you have Fi tell you about an enemy, or something. Or maybe a bestiary. Fyrisvellir 15:37, 15 October 2011 (EDT)
- Thats awesome news, I've missed that so much since TWW, but at least that had figurines, TP didn't even have that. Fizzle 15:19, 15 October 2011 (EDT)
- I've checked pretty much every video there is, and nowhere have I seen it called a Zol. I mean, it didn't even appear in action until the Ancient Cistern video, as far as I can see. That's true about the names, I completely agree. Yeah, it's a problem when they're never named. Well, if you're avoiding new material, I won't spoil anything, but one small detail we do know is that Fi can tell you about enemies like Navi and Tatl could. There's a recent screenshot that confirms this. So I imagine we'll be getting to see their names. Fyrisvellir 14:53, 15 October 2011 (EDT)
- Have you checked any live playthroughs? I vaguely remember Nintendo rep in maybe a Gametrailers video who referred to certain enemies as Bokoblins and Stalfos and such, so perhaps that is where they are from. I agree with you on stuff like the Scorpion, although I worry that if the game doesn't reveal any real names people will latch onto their assumed names too closely. Like you say, if people assume this is a Zol, and its never named, but people keep finding it on this page, it'll become common thought that its a Zol even if its not one. Some games STILL suffer from this, so hopefully the game contains the real names of every monster somewhere. I'm not gonna check any new material but I'll look at some old E3 stuff to see if it was named, but I think you suspect correctly and it wasn't. Fizzle 14:40, 15 October 2011 (EDT)
- Yeah, I agree somewhat, but I don't mind it so much when it's made clear that they have been given temporary fan-created names like the Scorpion currently. I mean, that article will need to exist at some point anyway, and we already have information about it. Some enemies whose names haven't been officially revealed are quite clearly new designs of existing creatures (like the Moblin and Lizalfos) - they aren't officially, but y'know, Occam's Razor... The problem with this Zol article in particular is that the creature in question isn't something with an unrevealed name as such; it could be either of two different existing creatures. It could, of course, be a Zol, but I think the evidence to the contrary warrants a position in the ChuChu article instead. Like I say, I don't know if it has been officially revealed as a Zol, but I've been following the game extremely closely and can't find anything that says so. Fyrisvellir 10:23, 15 October 2011 (EDT)
- I personally think you might be right, unless it was named somewhere that they are Zols. Its very hard to tell the differences between some slime enemies just by look, and even by behavior. I also think that unless an enemy is specifically named in a preview we should not put it in an article anywhere on the wiki yet, because it causes problems when things are misnamed. I have been avoiding new information, but the only enemies I know that have been named are Deku Babas, Bokoblins, Stalfos, Octoroks and Lizalfos (I think). But like I said, I haven't been keeping up on the details. I do know that these slime enemies were in the very original demo, but weren't named. Fizzle 09:28, 15 October 2011 (EDT)
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#general channel on the Zelda Wiki Discord server.Thanks for the investigative work, guys. I added a note on the article in a new section called "Skyward Sword". Feel free to improve it as you see fit. This should resolve the conflict for now. — Abdul [T] [C] [S] 04:46, 16 October 2011 (EDT)
- So, according to IGN, the Skyward Sword ones are Chu-Chus: http://uk.ign.com/wikis/the-legend-of-zelda-skyward-sword/Chu-chus
Fyrisvellir 17:25, 6 November 2011 (EST)
Move?[]
Figured that if the article is going to cover both enemies, then perhaps we should just name it in the same way that they are listed in the manual for the original game, "Zol & Gel". After all, Gel has sometimes appeared in games independently of Zols, and Zols have appeared independently of Gels. Seems silly to cut Gel out of the title when the article is about two different creatures. ※Fizzle (talk) 15:48, 6 July 2012 (EDT)
- "Zol & Gel" is a rather inconvenient title for linking... — Hylian King [*] 19:39, 6 July 2012 (EDT)
- Hm, a little... would redirects really hurt that badly though? Zol would still link here. ※Fizzle (talk) 20:17, 6 July 2012 (EDT)
- The real question is: how many and what games feature Gels without Zols entirely? The article is ambiguous on the issue. Both are present in The Legend of Zelda, but Gels sometimes appear in dungeons without Zols nearby. If Gels are present in every game that Zols are (and can be revealed by striking a Zol with a standard weapon), there isn't much of a reason to move the article; Gels would be a related subset of Zols. If there is a game that features solely Gels and no Zols, I believe there is some evidence for a name change - there would be no evidence to believe that those Gels came from Zols, at least in-game. By translation, this would mean Gels could be a stand-alone enemy and be treated as such. — ciprianotalk
- Hm, a little... would redirects really hurt that badly though? Zol would still link here. ※Fizzle (talk) 20:17, 6 July 2012 (EDT)
- What Cip said. And no, there aren't any games that feature Gels exclusively. If you count up our Zol images, all the games are accounted for. — Hylian King [*] 21:39, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- This is a weird one, but... the Japanese guide for Phantom Hourglass only lists Gels. Not Zols. This was their last appearance, too. ※Fizzle (talk) 22:39, 17 December 2012 (UTC)