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Merchandise/Figures and Plushies Images

I will be uploading some higher res images of some of the figures we have already, and even completing some of the sets. I was thinking about removing the backgrounds of the images I took to help them stand out more, but noticed that no other figure picture we have has this done.

So to sum things up, I'm curious to know if removing the backgrounds is a desired effect or not, before putting the work into doing so. Pixel 13:24, 23 June 2013 (ADT)

I'd say it's especially desired since the background is totally irrelevant. No one needs to see what kind of desks people have. :P
It's obviously harder to render real-life photographs, so I think that's why it hasn't been done. Yeah, I'd say it's desired, as long as it's done properly. But look who I'm talking to, haha! — Hylian King [*] 17:57, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the compliment. :) I'll start on those shortly, and hopefully everyone likes them.
On a side note, you wouldn't be seeing what desk I have. I put white pieces of paper in the background so they would be easier to remove, and created a cheap light box effect in the process. ;) Pixel 15:44, 23 June 2013 (ADT)

Page logs

I noticed that the "Page Logs" in the toolbox that appears on the left of a page doesn't function properly. Zeldafan1982 14:10, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Should be working now. You'll probably have to bypass your cache. — Hylian King [*] 14:57, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Some problems after the upgrade

Some rather minor problems that I noticed. I checked with IE 8, Chrome and Firefox (latest editions). 1) On the left side there seems to be a small problem with the drop-down menus, they appear with different color (blue instead of yellow). 2) On the front page ?UNIQ2b965de5753dc714-css-00000000-QINU? and ?UNIQ2b965de5753dc714-css-00000001-QINU? appear, below the games and above the "Welcome to Zelda Wiki". Last, there is some color overlapping in the search bar (blue and yellow) and in Firefox "Search" appears twice, while in Chrome and IE it shows a square on the right. Zeldafan1982 (talk) 13:54, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Hoo boy so many problems.

  1. I logged in on this page but it didn't stick until I hard-refreshed RecentChanges in another tab. Hard-refreshing this tab didn't work; only opening this page up from that tab did.
  2. Some templates cause ridiculously broken HTML to stink up the page. Have a look at Morth and Eyegore.
  3. The green gradient for the search bar background doesn't reach all the way down through the whole box.
  4. When I was making this post, the "Currently editing" feature was suddenly replaced with some sort of 503 error, which fixed itself once I tried to get a better look at it.

This is all in IE10, in case it matters. Toomai (talk) 14:32, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I'm not sure what is the proper solution to the second point, but I noticed that if the pages have the caption field completed then the problem is fixed. Edit: The InfoField template needs to be altered. The problem with the caption messes up all the pages. Also, some article pages just don't load at all (Majora's Mask (Object), Groose, Gohma, Ganon for example) Zeldafan1982 (talk) 17:33, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

More problems:

  1. Special:SpecialPages is dead.
  2. There's a ton of spam coming in and no evidence of their accounts being created in the user creation log.

Toomai (talk) 15:51, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, guys. Turns out the update wasn't as smooth as planned. To address your issues:
  • Pages with audio files (like theme songs) are dead. Audio files don't seem to play nice with the update. Fixed
  • Account creation has been disabled due to some database errors and the spambots.
  • The issue with infoboxes should be fixed now. Please tell me if it's not.
  • A couple extensions are broken (namely the CSS extension), resulting in the weird error codes you see. Fixed
If you see anything else that's wrong. please post it here. — Abdullah [T] [C] [S]  19:41, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Something that most likely you have already noticed: the templates that use tabs like this and this also have problem. Zeldafan1982 (talk) 20:13, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Done. It wasn't the tabs themselves that were causing the issue, but rather the badly formatted tables. Keep 'em coming! — Abdullah [T] [C] [S]  17:20, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Another one: Search doesn't work if there isn't a page or redirect at the exact title. Toomai (talk) 04:08, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Should be fixed now. :) — Abdullah [T] [C] [S]  17:20, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Ogg files and custom citation buttons

Another thing, the custom citation buttons no longer appear. Also, is it possible that the ogg player allows you to go to a specific point? I noticed that it is possible in the file description. Edit: I just noticed that it is not possible to upload ogg files. Does the problem occur only with ogg files or with images as well?
By the way, nice job fixing the errors guys! The problem seems to be now that there are certain pages where the code is a bit problematic and it is difficult to track them down. Zeldafan1982 (talk) 23:02, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


I went to go check my edit count, and there were random codes everywhere! At your convenience Ankazar 21:32, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

All fixed. Thank you!User:Justin/sig 12:18, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Typo template

The typo template seems to have a problem. The <i></i> tags are shown when it is used in quotes. Zeldafan1982 (talk) 00:01, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Fixed. If I understand correctly, a lot of HTML tags are not supported in the new HTML standard (HTML5) which we are now using since the update. Tags such as <center> and <font> will no longer work in some cases (mainly tables and templates, it seems) and will have to be phased out in favor of inline CSS (example). — Hylian King [*] 15:01, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

hello YinforeverYoung here i have no reason about typos but i do have a theory on something its about laruto and ruto the sages from windwaker and ocarina of time if you would like to know more contact me thx :)

Problem with Image Renaming

I just came across an error while attempting to move this image. It used to have a capitalized file extension, which is why I decided to rename it. After attempting to move it, I received an error message saying that I didn't have permission to do so, along with several pieces of code. After exiting the form, I noticed that while the file description page hadn't moved, the image itself had. However, when I tried to view the new image all I could see was this error message:

Error creating thumbnail: convert: no decode delegate for this image format `/tmp/magick-1ekqNCf6' @ error/constitute.c/ReadImage/532.
convert: missing an image filename `/tmp/transform_6284a4c04d58-1.png' @ error/convert.c/ConvertImageCommand/3011.

After this I tried to move the file description page again, which worked, but the image still didn't appear and an error message was in its place. I wasn't quite sure whether this issue was due to the recent update or not, so I placed in within a different section. I've never tried to move an image before, so I can't say if it has ever worked for me.

Also, on a related note, the moving form doesn't seem to have the option to suppress redirects. Dannyboy601Talk 11:18, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Moving files is an admin user right; so is suppressing redirects, which is a form of deletion, so you wouldn't be able to under normal circumstances.
As for the error, you might want to try flagging down Justin; he's our go-to fix-it man at the moment. — Hylian King [*] 13:43, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
Howdy, guys. Sorry about the trouble with images. I've fixed the problem, and uploads and image manipulation should work as normal. It was a quick fix, but was something I really should've known from the start. My bad!User:Justin/sig 14:33, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Captions in galleries and YouTube videos

I noticed that the captions in galleries and YouTube videos are not automatically centered. Regarding the latter, is it possible that the template is changed to do that? Also, a weird problem; in cases where "Advertisements" is used as a header the s has to be omitted otherwise the header doesn't appear (example). Zeldafan1982 (talk) 14:48, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

I'll look into the video centering. Shouldn't be too hard. And as for the advertisements thing... Are you sure? I can see it just fine on the page you linked after reverting your edit. Try refreshing your cache, and if you still have the issue, take a screenshot and either upload it here or email it to me.User:Justin/sig 14:55, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
I checked with IE and Chrome and the header appears. Is it a Firefox problem? I deleted the cache but the header doesn't appear. Also, since I was checking the pages with YouTube videos, should I keep the center tag or delete it? I deleted it in some pages, not sure if I did right.
On a sidenote, is the problem with the ogg files (the uploading) difficult to be fixed? Just asking :) Zeldafan1982 (talk) 15:15, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Hm. Not sure. I don't use Firefox, so I wouldn't know. I'll have to install Firefox later and check it out to see what's causing the issue. As is, I'm getting ready to go to bed.
As for the vids, use style="text-align:center" to replace the deprecated center tag. We should really try to shy away from outdated elements like that. And as far as uploading ogg files goes, what issue do you mean? I'm not aware of any problems with uploading them, unless you're referring to the removal of MultipleUpload.User:Justin/sig 15:31, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
The problem is that after the uploading is finished it shows only a blank screen. The upload log doesn't show the files either. We had a similar problem with the ogg files in the past if I remember correctly. Zeldafan1982 (talk) 16:40, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Given that I'm still awake, I decided to go ahead and install Firefox to check out the issue. I still don't see your problem, so now I'm telling you that I'll need a screenshot of what you mean before I can do anything for the issue.
As for OGG files, you filled up the recent changes with uploads of them a few days ago, if I recall correctly :P I'll try uploading a couple OGGs to test it out, though.User:Justin/sig 16:48, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
False positive.. the issue was caused by AdBlock :P Also, another minor issue. I see that the Kaltura player has two "versions", one appearing in the file description (example) that lets you go to a specific point of the track and the "lite" version that shows on the pages and galleries. The "full" version is preferable I think. Zeldafan1982 (talk) 17:32, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Whether or not the progress bar appears depends on the width of the player. The magic number seems to be 233px. If the player's smaller than that, there isn't enough room for a progress bar so it disappears. The default size for embeds is 180px, so that's why it's not appearing on pages. If you increase the width to, say, 233px, it will appear. (But even then it's inconveniently tiny. I would say the width should be at least 250px.)
The problem with that is most of our audio files are used in infoboxes. Increasing the width of the embed by 50+ pixels will stretch out the infoboxes on a lot of pages. — Hylian King [*] 12:53, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Upload Multiple Images...

Hey does anyone know what happened to the upload multiple images button? Did we move it somewhere or just get rid of it all together? --Shadow Reaper 10:09, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

I removed the extension due to security concerns. It wasn't being maintained, and the form is open to hijacking.User:Justin/sig 10:55, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Warning when a file with the same name but different extension is uploaded

I noticed that when you try to upload a file that has the same name, but different extension from another one (I checked with an ogg file versus a png) it gives this warning: "You will upload over an already existing file.If you proceed, the information in this form will not appear on the description page."
You can still ignore the warning and upload the file without overriding, but the warning shouldn't appear, and may make someone change the name although there is no need to. Not a major problem but still. Zeldafan1982 (talk) 17:29, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


Hey, so I just joined Zelda wiki several days ago, and I was wanted to know what actions are inappropriate and constitutes a ban, and whether or not we can IP ban, partially because I don't want do something stupid and ban myself, but mainly whether or not we can legally ban User: TheLinkOfTime. As some of you may know, TheLinkOfTime joined this wiki several days ago, and has since then consistently harassed people on their user talk pages. In fact his only "contributions" have been to talk pages. Here's a quote:


Hey, you have been watched for awhile and the Boss likes you. So please make an account on the ssb wiki and contact me. There I'm: TheIncrediblePichuLOL. Please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheLinkOfTime (talk) 20:18, 23 September 2013

End quote.

So I checked out his Smash Wiki account, and found he was doing the exact same thing there, only worse. Is it possible to ban him before he causes anymore serious damage to this wiki and/or our psyches? Also, apologies in advance if this an inappropriate topic and/or location to post. Champion of Nayru (talk) 23:46, 26 September 2013 (UTC)Champion of Nayru

As I said on TheLinkOfTime's talk page, we're well aware of his/her actions both here and on SSB Wiki. For your reference, we have the criteria for banning listed here. TheLinkOfTime has been given a warning, so he/she still has a chance to make constructive edits.
If there is ban-worthy behavior occurring, however, you're welcome to message any of our active staff on their talk page to report it. - TonyT S C 01:24, 27 September 2013 (UTC)


I've never edited anything other than text, so I was wondering if anyone could ever explain or point me to an article that explains how to screenshot images from games. I noticed that the Treasure page on Skyward Sword treasures was missing images for over half of the treasures. I was wondering how to take the initial screenshot before rendering it. Is a emulator or a high quality camera required? Champion of Nayru (talk) 03:34, 30 September 2013 (UTC) Champion of Nayru

Emulators are pretty much the only way to get top quality images. I imagine a high end capture card would also do the trick, but even then I'm not sure it would equal an emulator screenshot. It's also possible to hack the ROM and rip the sprites/textures/models directly, but that's usually more difficult. As for how to take emulator screenshots, that will depend on the emulator. It's pretty straightforward, though.
It had occurred to me that we should write guide on acquiring images, but there is the potential liability to consider. (Although despite what Nintendo has to say about it, if you've paid for a physical copy of the game and are using emulators for personal, non-profit use, that's a pretty solid fair use claim. But then again I'm not a lawyer.)
Anyhoo, if you have a Skype account you're welcome to join the editor chat. I'll gladly show you the ropes. Can't make any promises, though. I suspect we're in very different timezones. — Hylian King [*] 14:46, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank you Hylian King, that's very helpful. Is there a preferred capture card for use on this wiki? My timezone is Pacific Daylight Time (PDT) -0700 UTC, but I tend to edit late at night (3pm-3am, mostly 9pm-1am), so presumably we are in a compatible range around 0800 (UST) for the editor chat. Champion of Nayru (talk) 23:00, 1 October 2013 (UTC) Champion of Nayru
I don't think many of us use capture cards. Personally I wouldn't be able to tell you which ones are any good. — Hylian King [*] 01:02, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
People generally get the Hauppage HD PVR, but it costs a fair bit of money, so it would have to be a commitment (unless you're not phased by that sort of money).
Generally, I would recommend doing some research. Models that can record at 1080p are obviously what you want, but it doesn't hurt to look at some reviews. - TonyT S C 04:26, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
On a similar note, is the television or computer monitor relevant at all? Also I thought I should mention that since I'm probably not going to be able to provide the images myself now that I know I lack the equipment, can someone add images to the Skyward Sword Treasure page? It's lacking images of the models of most of the treasures. Thanks by the way, Pakkuna Matata! I do apologize for my excess of questions on both Milk Bar and Hyrule Castle. Champion of Nayru (talk) 05:19, 2 October 2013 (UTC)Champion of Nayru
It's no problem, these pages are here for raising questions. I would recommend making a special request at Zelda Wiki:Image Requests under "Other Requests" at the bottom of the page. If you know someone who uploads Skyward Sword stuff (*ahem*Kidbuu4ever*ahem*), you could always try asking them personally.
For Skyward Sword it's possible to get decent quality screenshots just from online videos. There's lots of HD playthroughs of the game on Youtube, namely LilMikel's. You just have to pause the video at the right time and hit the print screen button. It's better than nothing.
I imagine capture cards are only able to record at the same resolution as the monitor, but again, I'm no expert. (Emulators are really the way to go.) — Hylian King [*] 07:41, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
Actually funny enough, I did get most of that Skyward Sword stuff when it first came out from HD videos. Probably easier to stick with emulators for the highest quality images, just be careful about things like widescreen hacks that make the game look too different from it's native source - Bwar (talk) 12:46, 12 November 2013 (UTC)


I was searching for a way to donate to Zelda Wiki, and found none. Does this mean that this site is funded solely by advertisements? If so, is it possible to increase the amount of ads to provide more revenue? Allowing advertisements to appear to registered users sounds like an easy way to increase revenue. Perhaps donaters or experienced editors and admins (basically anyone who is very useful to this wiki) will remain ad free? Champion of Nayru (talk) 18:29, 20 November 2013 (UTC)Champion of Nayru

ZW is funded solely by the banner ads at this time. We appreciate the gesture, though. I will bring your suggestions to the attention of the bureaucrats.
When we first started using banner ads, they did appear to all users. But we quickly decided to limit them to guest users, precisely because registered users do not have much of an impact on revenue (according to Cody). Registered users represent a small fraction of the wiki's visitors. Plus, they are the ones who are most likely to be bothered by ads. — Hylian King [*] 02:28, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

ALBW Bosses and Dungeons are out of order

On the two pages Dungeons in A Link Between Worlds and Bosses in A Link Between Worlds the bosses and their respective dungeons aren't in order. I haven't played the game yet myself so I don't know the order of the dungeons. An example of what I mean is on the Dungeons page it appears the House of Gales is after the Eastern Palace, but on the Bosses it appears to be the Tower of Hera. Can someone please organize these pages? Thank you :) --Shadow Reaper 08:08, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

That might be due to the order of the dungeons depending on what the player decides. I think the file select screen has a set order for the portraits though so it might be good to go off of that -- Bwar (talk) 00:43, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Well the general consensus on both the Bosses in A Link Between Worlds and the template for bosses have them a certain way so I just went with that. Now it's a least uniformed even if there is no set order in which the dungeons go. --Shadow Reaper 01:36, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

More Theories

One thing i've noticed about the bottom of the hilt on the Sword of Twilight is an eye symbol, simular to the Sheika's symbol, And i've heard theories that the Twili have something to do with the Sheika's absense. I think the Twili ARE the Sheika. One supporter of my theories is Midna's reddish eyes. Also, i've played Twilight Princess and beat it. --noahboy02 7:58 December 7th.

This isn't really appropriate here, I think this would better fit on a talk page. Also, if you want to sign your name properly, you can use ~~~~ to sign your posts. -- Bwar (talk) 01:32, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I just signed up yesterday so i kinda have no idea what i'm doing. Plus, i'm on my Wii. I'll just sign my name like usual. --noahboy02 9:19 December 8th

Editting the enemy page of A Link Between Worlds

I noticed that it isn't possible to edit the image gallery of enemies from A Link Between Worlds Arrghus (talk) 19:29, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

How so? I checked to make sure that page isn't locked from editing, so are you simply looking for an edit option on the right of the page? Those only appear after a header (marked by == == in the coding), so you have to click "edit" at the top of the page instead, if that's the case. - TonyT S C 20:51, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Names in other regions

What's the standard for names in other regions? Do we follow ALbW and have the "Meaning" column? Or like ALttP where the meaning is used by hovering over the title? Or like THF/LoZ where the mouse over is used for romanized text and meaning is used for the translation? I'm confused.

Zero-ELEC (talk) 04:45, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
Personally I prefer the ALBW arrangement best, mostly for accessibility reasons. The tooltip from hovering over the word cannot always be viewed, such as on mobile devices, and it can wreak havoc with narration tools as well. But whatever we go with, I agree that we need to be consistent. Currently it's very confusing since different articles seem to use different formatting. --Dorsal Axe (talk) 23:43, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
The "meaning" format should be used. The other formats are outdated instances of Template:Names that haven't been updated yet. — Hylian King [*] 16:22, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Deleting Articles

How do I delete an article?TriforceOfPower (talk) 15:32, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

You can't. Only admins can. What you can do is request a deletion of pages that do not meet quality standards by adding { {delete} } (without the spaces) to the top of the article in question. Champion of Nayru (talk) 20:19, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Is the legend of zelda continuing?

Everybody, is the zelda series continuing? Please let me know. And what was the most recently released zelda game? Please discuss with me on User Talk:rustustbust. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rustustbust (talk) 05:47, 20 February 2014

Yes, it is. A Link Between Worlds is at this point the most recent title that has been released and there are at least three titles in development that are related to the Zelda series. - TonyT S C 08:12, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Ooh, three titles?? I knew about Hyrule Warriors, and the untitled Wii U game, but what's the third?? --ReDead64 (talk) 05:32, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Hold your mouse over the text where it says "three titles in development". :) - TonyT S C 14:38, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Manual Move Needs Fixing

Recently, the user HelmarokKing has done a manual copy-paste "move" of the content that was created at Rosso's House to the official term Miner's House. This type of move, however, is heavily discouraged, as the page history does not get carried over between titles as per wiki policy. If wiki policy weren't like this, I'd've manually-moved the content currently at Baris to Herb, the person that article is really about, a long time ago. Can HelmarokKing's ill-advised copy-paste "move" be fixed? Thanks. --Shiningpikablu252 (talk) 16:35, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I was not aware that this was discouraged. I moved it manually since some words had to be changed around, and there weren't many other revisions as it is. I'd prefer that you wouldn't throw me under the bus like that next time though. Sorry to offend. --TheHK (T) (C) 16:47, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
No worries. It's certainly not the end of the world, but it is a rule we'd best not make exceptions for. It's been fixed, in any case. Thanks for spotting the error, Pikablu. Please do try to be a bit more tactful in the future, though. :) — Hylian King [*] 04:01, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


i recently edited the Chilfos page, and do not know how to...uhh hmm, make the name...a link to the page itself, i need to know this and i will wait before editing anything else Cpl. Fi (talk) 19:12, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

There's no need to make a link to the page itself, unless, of course, you mean linking to a subsection. To do that, all you have to do is put a hashtag(#) in front of the section in the link. I know, I'm bad at explaining things, so here's an example:
That links to this section of the page. Like so: links
Hope that helps!User:Justin/sig 20:06, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Just A Noob to the Wiki Asking A Few Questions

Hey. Sorry if I template this wrong, as the title says, I'm new. I had two questions on how to make stuff: •How do I change my Signature (the font of my name, ReDead64 (talk) 04:25, 15 April 2014 (UTC))? •Not that I have any new pages to make, but say there was an entirely new article missing from the wiki. How can I just add in a page on, let's say, Inside Jabu-Jabu's Belly? And yeah, I'm aware the wiki already has a page on that. --ReDead64 (talk) 04:27, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Zelda Wiki has guides on both of those here (creating pages) and here (signatures). However, since you're new, I'd recommend making sure you've learned the ropes before you try to do either of those. :) - TonyT S C 14:38, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Yeah OK, thanks! --ReDead64 (talk) 20:23, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
How can I insert an image I found on Google Images into an article? :P — ᏒᎬᎠᎬᎪᎠ64 03:20, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
On the left side of the page under the Toolbox field is a link to the Upload page. Once you've uploaded an image, all you need to follow are the image tutorials here. - TonyT S C 03:53, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Threshold for theory inclusion

What's the threshold for theory inclusion? I recently added a theory section to the Groose article, but it was soon removed, and the other editor opined that it just sounds like a personal theory. Is a theory more notable if I can provide multiple independent sources that have also arrived at the same theory? Because I didn't come up with this theory by myself—versions of it have been floating around for some years now. - Dermot Mac Flannchaidh (talk) 16:18, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

For starters, re-adding something someone reverted is bad form, especially if the someone who reverted it is an admin.

Anyway, I personally to feel that the less theories there are on this wiki, the better. But in this case, it honestly feels like Groose was at least intended to invoke the Gerudo. There really aren't any characters (to my knowledge) in the Zelda series that have blazing red hair and yellow eyes besides the Gerudo and Groose. This isn't really evidence, but his name also starts with a "G", same as Gerudo and Ganon, although Nabooru's name doesn't start with G, so it isn't a Gerudo naming convention. Basically I think that there should be a mention of a Gerudo/Groose connection somewhere on the Groose page, although the Theory that Dermot submitted is definitely unacceptable as is due to its unfounded speculation and unprofessional tone. Champion of Nayru (talk) 19:59, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I did not intend bad form or anything like that, and I didn't know if the editor reverting my original edits was an admin or not. It was just that their revert said it sounded like a personal theory, but I didn't originally come up with it, and have seen it turn up repeatedly online. If there remain issues with my style of editing, I'm sure they can be improved upon. But my original edits were in good faith, and the material seemed perfectly congruent with the established pattern of theories in articles. Even if there are editors who dislike theory sections, there are plenty of readers who do, and expansive theory sections were already all over this wiki when I joined up, and I find them to be one of the more interesting parts of the wiki. If this wiki is to include theories, and a theory is honest and has appeared independently again and again, then what is a theory section editor to expect? It is my understanding that theories by their very nature are not universally endorsed, but arise from an attempt within the community to explain conspicuous correlations that have captured their attention. And if a theory pops up from multiple sources independently, it would seem to fall within the threshold of notability. If the wiki were to adopt a policy of no longer hosting theories in articles at all, I could then understand their swift removal; otherwise, it can confuse an editor and make them wonder if their edits were judged as bad faith or vandalism. - Dermot Mac Flannchaidh (talk) 23:39, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
I have a suggestion. To minimize future confusion, I think the wiki needs to adopt a clear, readily-referenced common policy on theories in articles, preferably linked from the "Theory Warning" template. This policy would explain criteria and threshold for inclusion, so that future editors can inform themselves and have a better idea of what to expect. It's confusing to be told by a moderating editor that theories are not a good idea, when theories are already all over the wiki in abundance and seem to invite expansion. I admit I'm a rather nervous editor and don't always have the best conceived editing style, but a clear sense of official procedure could make the whole process less bumpy for all sorts of editors. - Dermot Mac Flannchaidh (talk) 00:04, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
There already is such a policy here. Theories are only to be added if they are supported by a reasonable amount of 1) evidence and 2) community acceptance. Of course, what constitutes a "reasonable amount" of either criteria must be left to judgement. — Hylian King [*] 03:00, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
I see... Well, that seems clear. I suppose my only remaining suggestion is to link to that policy from the template. If you believe the theory section I added was inappropriate, I will accept its removal. I apologize for any appearance of discord. - Dermot Mac Flannchaidh (talk) 04:26, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
I have removed the theory from the page. Once again, I apologize. I seek to be a constructive contributor to this wiki. - Dermot Mac Flannchaidh (talk) 04:31, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

To be honest, theory sections seem to be a magnet for well-intentioned speculation by editors either unfamiliar with the quality control rules or who have not memorized these rules by heart. And to be candid, I have many theories in my head, some of which I have already sprinkled around the wiki, mostly in existing theory sections. And I'm sure the ones I can remember adding (off the top of my head) are probably not all the ones I have actually added. Now that I know that there's a certain requisite consensus standard and citation style for theories, I will try to be more thoughtful of similar edits in the future, and to see if I can improve the quality of my theory edits if I stumble over them again. - Dermot Mac Flannchaidh (talk) 05:10, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Maps: Before or after?

For map images, should they be shown as they are at the start of the game (doors locked, walls unbombed), or as they are at the end of the game (doors unlocked, walls bombed)? I assume that the former is the desired quality, but I wished to get an official stance on this for the future. Apologies if this has already been answered. Champion of Nayru (talk) 18:26, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

There is no official stance. There aren't many strict image policies, so uploaders are encouraged to use their best judgement.
I personally prefer "before" maps as they're usually more revealing and useful. They do tend to be harder to make, though. Again, do what you think is best. — Hylian King [*] 07:34, 6 May 2014 (UTC)