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Getting 503 errors

I don't know if its my net or not, but I've had three 503 errors today on here.--Zhane Masaki 23:16, 2 May 2012 (EDT)

Where'd all my edits go?

Just now I noticed that all the edits I've made in the past few hours have vanished, along with any sign of their existence. All of the articles I've edited appear as they did before I edited them, and the edits no longer appear in Recent Changes or in my contribution log. I'm probably missing something really obvious, but what's going on here?--Osteoderm Jacket 17:41, 12 January 2012 (EST)

Same here, thats wierd, I updated Iris's page an hour ago by uploading her Sprite and it appears to have disappeared, the image and the changes, what just happened here? --Vaati The Wind Demon 17:49, 12 January 2012 (EST)
Hmm. If it happened to more than one person over the same interval I'm guessing it's a server problem.--Osteoderm Jacket 17:52, 12 January 2012 (EST)

Same, here reported it to staff XXSuperXXNintendoXx 17:52, 12 January 2012 (EST)

Does that mean I'l have to reupload the file or is it fixable? --Vaati The Wind Demon 17:55, 12 January 2012 (EST)

Seems like the wiki went down 2 days ago, so they uploaded a previous backup of the server where our edits today wern't back up on.

Ah. I take it my edits can't be recovered and I should go ahead and redo them, then?--Osteoderm Jacket 18:01, 12 January 2012 (EST)

To be safe, yes XXSuperXXNintendoXx 18:07, 12 January 2012 (EST)

It won't let me upload the image now, I get an error saying, "The upload directory (public) is not writable by the webserver.". How do I fix this? --Vaati The Wind Demon 19:00, 12 January 2012 (EST)
Thanks for letting us know, we're currently looking into this problem. We apologize for the inconvenience! --Dany36 19:11, 12 January 2012 (EST)

Shadow Dungeon Symbol

The current symbol for Shadow Dungeons is a dark and demonic bat head thing. In my opinion, I think it looks just a little bit silly. Wouldn't a black or purple skull be more suitable? Anyway, I'm not exactly complaining, I'm just trying to suggest changes for the better. Lahmaster 4:16, 13 January 2012 (AEST)

Not a bad idea. I hope Abdul can spot this suggestion (I suck horrendously at making decent templates other tha navigation templates and the like, so I apologize for my incompetence). --K2L (Interrogatory) 02:05, 13 January 2012 (EST)
I don't really see how a black or purple skull is any less silly than the current symbol. Besides, this is Zelda. It's a series that allows for a bit of silliness, even in the more serious games.--Osteoderm Jacket 06:53, 14 January 2012 (EST)
It this point, we're really just nitpicking: skulls, bats, rats, ghosts - they could all suffice for "Shadow" dungeons, and there isn't one that's more representative than the other. This being said, a skull wouldn't really be a change for the better, it would be a change from something that works to something that works equally well. To that, I say let's leave it as is, cool thought though. — ciprianotalk 10:50, 17 January 2012 (EST)
Personally I think we should be using symbols from the game somewhere, given that the games already have symbols for more than half of the, uh, "elements" used. There is already quite a useful Shadow Medallion symbol, why not use that? Fizzle 13:39, 22 January 2012 (EST)
I agree with Fizzle. Using the Shadow Medallion makes much more sense than the current icon. Not only is it better representative of the element, but it's easily recognizable by people new to the wiki. MrBatman 12:03, 2 February 2012 (EST)
Other elements can be represented by their respective medallion symbols. OoT Forest Medallion Model.png for Forest dungeons, OoT Fire Medallion Model.png for Fire, OoT Water Medallion Model.png for Water, obviously, OoT Spirit Medallion Model.png possibly for Desert? I know its "Spirit" but the Spirit Temple is a desert temple, so go figure. To be honest I'm not even sure if we need any more aside from OoT Shadow Medallion Model.png Shadow, that covers most dungeons aside from neutral ones if you ask me. Maybe Light for dungeons like Tower of the Gods and Sky Keep. Fizzle 14:11, 3 February 2012 (EST)
If I remember correctly, the medallions were used for the element infobox field before the Element template was created. The thing is, there's no Ice Medallion, Earth Medallion, or Wind Medallion. If we did use medallions, we'd end up having to use something completely different for the other elements, and that would just look plain weird. Consistency is key: if we could accomplish that with in-game symbols, great. But we can't (right?), so that's why we're using the ones we are now. I really don't see any problem with the symbols we have now. That template is really just for show anyway, and Abdullah worked pretty hard on those images :P — Hylian King [*] 21:29, 3 February 2012 (EST)
I agree. That would just look kind of wierd. But I think that maybe we could find something better for the Shadow Dungeon symbol. I kind of like the idea of the skull, it just kind adds more fear then a bat thing, not that that really matters. And in the case of the medallions, my first zelda game was the latest one at the time, Spirit Tracks. I didn't even know about Ocarina of Time until the commercials for the 3DS remake came up so I would've originally looked at the shadow medallion and said "What on earth is that!'. --Person777 13:16, 4 February 2012 (EST)
There MUST be a suitable ice symbol somewhere. As for the other two... What the heck is an Earth Temple anyway? There's only two Earth Temples and they're both Shadow and Fire elements respectively. Same with Wind, there's only two of them and one of them is more like Shadow (or Earth, even, oddly) than Wind and the other is more like Forest. Oh, wait, there's the Wind Palace... nevermind. Isn't there a Wind symbol in TWW or TMC somewhere? I'm sure there's one in TMC. Also, I don't mean bad to Abdullah, I appreciate the contribution of course, but... I... kind of liked the older ones better, personally. Don't hurt me! Fizzle (talk) 19:08, 4 February 2012 (EST)

Gerudo Desert in Ocarina of Time

Is it a reason that the facts about the Gerudo Desert from Ocarina of Time is removed? If not, can someone fix the article? --Niklas 14:46, 26 January 2012 (EST)

The desert in Ocarina of Time is never referred to as the Gerudo desert, so I removed it. --Dany36 17:44, 26 January 2012 (EST)
Ok, but where is that article then? --Niklas 02:27, 27 January 2012 (EST)
Haunted Wasteland and Desert Colossus. Gerudo Desert now has a little note at the top clarifying this. — Abdullah [T] [C] [S]  02:55, 27 January 2012 (EST)

The Legend of Zelda Roleplay Site

Hello. I'm starting a The Legend of Zelda roleplay site. I've been using exclusive pictures and information from the Zelda Wiki, and use it for all my sources. I was wondering if the Zelda Wiki would Affiliate with me, with my site specified as a roleplay site, as I need ways to gather players. I'd post a link to my site, but that would be quite presumptuous.

If this is not allowed, is there a popular Wiki for The Legend of Zelda fanfiction or fanon that might allow a link to my site? Again, most Wikis list their fanon cousins, but the Zelda Wiki doesn't seem to. Pikmin Fanon is in NIWA, but it seems to be the only fanon Wiki in it.

I hope to get a response from someone high enough in the Zelda Wiki for a definite answer. Rest assured, I would be fine if the answer was no. I would just prefer someone point me in the right direction if so.

--Cyberweasel89 18:19, 3 February 2012 (EST)

Questionable "references" to other media.

I am putting this down here to avoid an edit war, because I'm seeing an issue cropping up more and more recently. On the Tentalus page, there seems a consistent attempt to include the fact that Tentalus looks a bit like a Monster's Inc. character. I, personally, think this is silly (its a generic looking cyclops monster rendered in 3D, of COURSE it looks a bit like a generic Monster's Inc. character, that doesn't mean its noteworthy), and replaced it with what I thought was more interesting; that its possibly a reference to Medusa from Kid Icarus (look it up, her old design is pretty damn similar, and its a Nintendo game, possibly cross-reference in action). Rather than simply add the Monster's Inc. thing back, my trivia was removed entirely in favour of the Monster's Inc. trivia on the flimsy basis of some FORUM posts.

Obviously I could just revert it back again, but to avoid an edit war I want to just get the policy straight, as I am seeing this more and more recently; me and K2L removed references to General Grevious, a Star Wars character, from the Stalmaster page, because its not noteworthy (Grevious is NOT the only four-armed warrior in fiction, by any means), and Demise had mention that he looked like Akuma from Street Fighter (because they're both based on oni, not because Demise is based on Akuma). By the same logic, we should probably mention on the Link page that he looks a bit like Peter Pan, or that Fairies look like Tinkerbell.

Anyway, am I wrong on this? Surely there's some policy when it comes to mentioning similarities of this nature. I wanna just get this straightened out rather than stuck in back and forths all the time. Fizzle (talk) 19:25, 4 February 2012 (EST)

I never really liked those references as they are pretty silly most of the time.... They are probably not even intended by Nintendo and are just a fan's desire to find a non-existent connections to everything. :P If it were up to me, I'd delete all instances of such "cross-references"! Unless of course they are OBVIOUSLY intended, like with Roam. --Dany36 00:51, 14 February 2012 (EST)
Hey guys, the trivia bit was added by me, both times, and I feel it is legitimate because I was able to find references in the community of those who think the same. Trivia similar to this in the past did not have any references and was justly removed because it had no community support. With trivia and theories here on ZW, we expect community support and because we are the wiki of the Zelda community we must be accurate in these areas to reflect what the community sees as viable. It is a self-correcting mechanism - if there isn't enough support, it simply does not get posted... but I was able to find two forum posts with legitimate discussion for it. In lieu of references, this should stay up! Furthermore, search "Tentalus" and "Monsters, Inc." in the same search on any well-known search engine; countless results pop up of Zelda players discussing the similarity. Without references, trivia is more questionable than not - I believe I've more than proved my case here. ;) — ciprianotalk 10:33, 14 February 2012 (EST)
I don't want to get into a debate about what Tentalus looks more like, but I personally reverted the Medusa edit the first time because it looked like it was replacing a widely discussed, even-if-certainly-coincidental similarity with one that seemed to be purely a personal opinion. I honestly dislike taking up article space with recording unintended similarities, but...that action seemed pretty sketchy, so I reverted it. I also trimmed out part of the Monster's Inc. claim that wasn't made in the cited forum and seemed wrong. My apologies if the Medusa thing actually is widely discussed, and I reverted you wrongly.KrytenKoro 11:44, 14 February 2012 (EST)
I added the Medusa thing because while its seemingly more "obscure", it seemed to have far more merit. Honestly, was Nintendo thinking of Monsters Inc. when they designed that boss, or a mythical beast they had used in one of their own games? I suspect the latter. Anyway, if my speculation isn't allowed, I don't see why the Monsters Inc. stuff should be. Fizzle (talk) 23:27, 22 February 2012 (EST)
I'd like to interject that I do disagree with Cip. Even if wild connections have backing from the community, I think it's still ridiculous to have mention of them. Honestly, I think we should only include references to other series if it's confirmed and leave the speculation to TV Tropes and the forums. - TonyT S C 13:51, 14 February 2012 (EST)

Another clueless image uploading question

Hi there, Osteoderm Jacket again. I've found higher-quality maps of some of the dungeons in Link's Awakening. Can I just go ahead and upload an improved version of an image without asking anyone, or is there a procedure that I'm supposed to follow first? The help section on image uploading doesn't say anything about it. Also, for future reference, is this the sort of thing I should just assume I can do without asking first, and what things on this wiki am I able to do immediately but in practice should ask permission for first?

Also, I understand that if they're a different file type from the image to be replaced I can't actually upload them as a new version of that file. Obviously I could just upload them as separate files and then put them in the places where the old image is used, but then what do I do with the old image?--Osteoderm Jacket 00:03, 14 February 2012 (EST)

As for your first question, yes, you can go ahead and replace it without consulting anyone. Just make sure you cite where you got the image from! Secondly, there are quite a few things you could go ahead and do in the wiki without discussion, but it is usually not advised!! Since this is a community project, all members should at least have a say in any big changes that pertain to the wiki. Anything that has to do with articles (moving, merging, splitting, etc.) should always be discussed first. Things dealing with images don't really have to be discussed, however, such as what you are trying to do.
Lastly, the superseded image (in case you uploaded it separately) should be marked with the Imdel template and say it has been superseded or something to that effect. All pages linking to that image should also be removed and replaced with the better one. Hope that helps! --Dany36 00:45, 14 February 2012 (EST)
Thanks! Sorry I'm such a n00b. I just have a strict "better safe than sorry" policy about matters where I'm ignorant.--Osteoderm Jacket 00:53, 14 February 2012 (EST)
If only all our users had that same policy :P — Abdullah [T] [C] [S]  05:58, 14 February 2012 (EST)

A bit of follow-up: The images I've uploaded are higher quality than those that were originally on the pages, but they have a background fill outside the dungeons' rooms. Should this be removed? I currently don't have an image editing program that can make parts of an image transparent, so I can't do this myself. I'm wondering in part because Tail Cave and Turtle Rock currently have images with no background fill that are otherwise good but omit the side-scrolling areas of the dungeons. I have dungeon maps for these dungeons that are in the same style as those I've used for the other Link's Awakening dungeon pages (i.e. color, high-res, background fill, includes side-scrolling areas), but haven't uploaded them yet because I'm not sure whether background-less images that leave out parts of the dungeon are preferable to images that display every bit of the dungeon but have a background. Should I upload these images, and if so should I mark the existing images for deletion? --Osteoderm Jacket 21:20, 14 February 2012 (EST)

I went ahead and uploaded them so they'd be viewable for comparison with the existing images. I marked Tail Cave (map).png for deletion since it's much smaller than File:LADX Tail Cave Map.png, but File:TurtleRockMap(LA).png and my recently uploaded File:LADX Turtle Rock Map.png are much more similar so I'm less sure. There's also one minor problem with this set of maps that I hadn't noticed before: Three of them (File:LADX Key Cavern Map.png, File:LADX Catfish's Maw Map.png, and File:LADX Turtle Rock Map.png) don't show the boss on the map. I don't know how important this is. Look at the images and tell me what you think. Are the two newest maps sufficiently better than their predecessors to warrant keeping them, perhaps with a bit of editing to remove the background? (I'm still not really clear on whether backgrounds are considered sub-optimal on this type of image.) Or should they just not be used? Look at the images and tell me what you think. --Osteoderm Jacket 23:57, 21 February 2012 (EST)

Dungeons listed under types of dungeon pages not complete

Hello, I'm new to this wiki (all wikis actually), but I noticed a problem on one of the pages that I'm not sure how to fix myself. Under some of the pages where it lists dungeons of a certain type (such as "Fire Dungeon," "Shadow Dungeon," etc.), some dungeons are missing. The one I noticed right away was the Ocean Temple (from Spirit Tracks) was missing from the "Water Dungeon" page. I think it should be added, but not sure how to go about it. Zapto369 20:21, 17 February 2012 (EST)

The Ocean Temple from ST was removed from the Water Dungeon because, even though it's underwater, it doesn't have any water elements to it in the dungeon itself. Its removal was discussed in its talk page. What others are missing? --Dany36 20:28, 17 February 2012 (EST)
I could be wrong about this, but wouldn't the Temple of Courage from Phantom Hourglass be considered a light dungeon? It's about as much a light dungeon as some of the other dungeons. Also, again I could be wrong about this, but why are the Forest Temples in Twilight Princess and Spirit Tracks under the Wind Dungeon section? I mean, yes, the items are wind based, but so is the item from Deepwood Shrine in Minish Cap, and it's not considered a Wind Dungeon. It seems to me that just because the item is wind-based, does not make the whole dungeon wind based. The same goes for the Gust Bellows in Skyward Sword. It's a wind item, but not from a wind dungeon (Lanyaru Mining Facility). But again, I could be very off about this. Zapto369 23:35, 17 February 2012 (EST)zapto369 February 17, 2012 23:35
Maybe I'm missing something here, but I really don't get how the Temple of Courage is a light dungeon. (Granted, I could say the same of a number of other dungeons currently listed on that page and I think the category is poorly defined to begin with, but that's a whole other kettle of Hylian Bass.) Care to enlighten me? --Osteoderm Jacket 01:11, 18 February 2012 (EST)
Well the way that I see it, the Temple of Courage is similar to the Tower of the Gods in a lot of ways (dungeon item, appearance; although it's mostly appearance that stands out to me), and that's a light dungeon. I agree with you on it being a poorly defined category. When I think of "light dungeons" I think of dungeons that use light such as the Earth Temple in Wind Waker or Spirit Temple in OOT. I can see the common themes in the listed dungeons, but I think it should be called something else. But again, yea, that's another story. And, aha, I see what you did there. Did that "enlighten" you? Zapto369 February 18, 2012 22:21
OK, the item available in a dungeon really isn't an indicator of its theme. The Bow has been found in about half the dungeon themes out there, for instance. And I must confess I don't understand what's similar in the appearances of the Temple of Courage and the Tower of the Gods; would you mind telling me what's similar? As I see it, the former is a rather nondescript structure made of yellowish bricks that has generic puzzles (albeit with lots of bottomless pits) while the latter's appearance makes lots of use of gold, glowing decorations, and structures made of energy like the bridges and barriers. Something like the Spirit Temple is a good example of a light-themed dungeon, yes, but this isn't even close to that. The Temple of Courage isn't even littered with glowing "holy" design elements the way the Tower of the Gods is. Besides, aesthetic elements in and of themselves don't make a theme. --Osteoderm Jacket 22:33, 18 February 2012 (EST)
Oh ok, you know, I think I'm starting to see what you mean, but there are still some similarities. There are those glowing orbs that shoot arrows in the Temple of Courage. That's light-esque right? I think I see exactly why Tower of the Gods is a light dungeon. Yea, my argument is losing validity to be honest. Why is Hyrule Castle a light dungeon then? I guess I'm quite understanding exactly what this category means. Also, you didn't answer my comments about the Forest Temples being considered wind dungeons. Zapto369 20:30, 19 February 2012 (EST)Zapto369 February 19, 2012 18:29
If you're talking about the Arrow Orbs, those aren't exclusive to that dungeon. They're just a tool, and one that shows up in multiple dungeons in both Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks. As for Hyrule Castle, I'm not sure why it's on that page, but as I note on Talk:Light Dungeon, it might be because people have decided that dungeons strongly associated with the "good guys" like Hyrule Castle are to be considered light dungeons. Do stop over and give your input on that talk page, by the way. I'd like to see this dungeon type get a clearer definition myself.
As for the Forest Temples of Twilight Princess and Spirit Tracks, I largely agree with you about them, as they are two among many dungeons that have wind-based items, and most of those aren't counted as wind dungeons. --Osteoderm Jacket 20:45, 19 February 2012 (EST)
Ok yea, I see your point. I think I will have a look at that page. Thank you! Zapto369 23:46, 19 February 2012 (EST)Zapto369 February 19, 2012 23:46

Electric Enemy template

Given the glut of electrified enemies in Skyward Sword, and given the steady trickle of their brethren in earlier games adding up over the course of the series, it's high time we had an enemy template for electric enemies. Rather like Template:IceEnemy, this would include both always-electric creatures like the Ampilus and Bari and electric versions of other enemies like the Thunder Keese and Yellow Chuchu. It should not include enemies that are simply mechanical, especially since those already have a category. This is specifically for enemies that generate electricity or have electric attacks, whether they are mechanical or organic. Here's a draft of what the template might look like:

A note on ChuChus: I included Yellow and Blue ChuChus because they're electric most of the time although they do have some incarnations that aren't (e.g. in Majora's Mask). I'm less sure about Purple ChuChus, since they're only electric in Spirit Tracks, but I've included them in this proposal because Red ChuChus are included in Template:FireEnemy, and they're only fiery in Skyward Sword.

Agahnim, Demise, Dreadfuse, and Goht were included because they make significant use of electrical attacks, on the same logic as including Jalhalla in the fire enemy template.

I'm ready to add this template myself; I'd just like to check the idea here before doing so. --Osteoderm Jacket 17:38, 18 February 2012 (EST)

Looks good. Feel free to create the template and add it to the appropriate articles. — Abdullah [T] [C] [S]  04:49, 19 February 2012 (EST)
Roger. --Osteoderm Jacket 05:00, 19 February 2012 (EST)

Featured Articles and Pictures

Why is it that an article or picture will be featured even though it wasn't even up for voting? --Person777 17:59, 20 February 2012 (EST)

All of our featured pictures and articles have been through a voting process. Check the article and image voting archives here and here. Featured content stays featured until it's successfully disqualified, which is why some of our featured content is a few years old. — Hylian King [*] 18:36, 20 February 2012 (EST)

English loanwords in Japanese names

Does this wiki have a policy concerning English loanwords in Japanese names? Take the English word "angler" in the Japanese name of Angler's Tunnel, for example. It's spelled out in katakana as アングラー (angurā). When we type out the romanization of the name, do we give the loanword its Hepburn romanization (angurā) or do we spell it as the English word that the katakana are a rendering of (angler)? --Osteoderm Jacket 20:15, 21 February 2012 (EST)

I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but you would write out the romaji first then provide the English equivalent. Like: アングラー (Angurā). - TonyT S C 20:31, 21 February 2012 (EST)
That's what I wanted to know. Thanks. --Osteoderm Jacket 20:37, 21 February 2012 (EST)

Galleries appearing buggy

Galleries at the end of pages are appearing white, making the text unreadable in the captions, and clashing with the background of the page. Is this a problem for everyone or just me? Ganondorfdude11 21:21, 22 February 2012 (EST)

This seems to be one of the many bugs plaguing the wiki at the moment. We'll try to get to the bottom of this and have it fixed as soon as we can. — Hylian King [*] 21:30, 22 February 2012 (EST)

I just noticed this now. And the recent changes became a lot different too, we can no longer know who's online in the wiki anymore. I hope users gets them all fixed somehow. I'll try to help too.--Prince Ludwig 21:36, 22 February 2012 (EST)

So, is just a regular old bug or something to do with an update? XXSuperXXNintendoXx 21:41, 22 February 2012 (EST)

An update is what we can see in the recent changes too, right? Even though it's impossible, I doubt there'd be an update now all of a sudden. Perhaps we can see an announcement of an update in the main page?--Prince Ludwig 21:45, 22 February 2012 (EST)

I'm talking with many of the staff on Skype, I would think Abbdulah would be able to fix the problem. Well, according to Dany. XXSuperXXNintendoXx 23:14, 22 February 2012 (EST)

Looks like everything returned back to normal. Case closed! ^_^ --Prince Ludwig 12:09, 23 February 2012 (EST)

Not quite. Something definitely went wrong here... [Ganon Concept Artwork.png] Fizzle (talk) 12:20, 23 February 2012 (EST)

We change servers, yet again. Everything seems to have fixed itself up, but some edits were lost. Please check that all your edits are okay. The image will be back up shortly, after the webmaster gives me access to modify a few files. — Abdullah [T] [C] [S]  12:38, 23 February 2012 (EST)

You might already be aware, but at the moment I am unable to tag images for deletion, or seemingly edit image pages at all. I assume this is a side effect of everything else. Fizzle (talk) 10:29, 26 February 2012 (EST)

About the Server migration

Hey everyone, I'm new to the boards here, but I'll be your new systems administrator. The previous host was getting too expensive and we were soon going to outgrow it. I created a plan in which we can easily grow the number of available systems. So in the past, you had one server. Now you have about 10 servers evenly distributing the data. Because of the nature of the new structure, I did not know MediaWiki restricts cookies to a single user. Cookie issues for logins and registrations should be working now. If there's anything else, please feel free to email me. Steven Lu www.stevenlu.com


Resolved issues

The server seems to be having a few issues right now. Bleh it really sucks when your trying to edit something... Steahl 19:36, 26 February 2012 (EST)

What are you trying to do exactly? sluzorz
When reporting problems with the site, please let us know precisely what symptoms you are experiencing. Thanks. Meltphace 06:47, 27 February 2012 (EST)
Just a minor issue that I'm not sure if it's related to the server move, but...is there any possibility that page views could be turned back on again? :] I'm talking about the ones that appear at the bottom of each article, like in metroid wiki. Thanks! --Dany36 12:06, 27 February 2012 (EST)
We disabled this because of some pretty severe performance issues. It was one of the reasons why it made the Wiki load in seconds rather than in milliseconds. Let us know if its absolutely necessary. sluzorz 23:45, 27 February 2012 (EST)
Bah, it's a worthy sacrifice. Also, we seem to be unable to edit any of our files. For example, try editing this file and hit "Save page". It just shows the original content like nothing happened at all. — Hylian King [*] 08:11, 28 February 2012 (EST)
I just edited it and it worked? ta-da. Never mind. See comment below. --Dany36 11:59, 28 February 2012 (EST)

Server is still far too slow for reasonable editing at the moment. Will this be fixed soon? Not sure what's going on behind the scenes, but while it seems stable, it is taking me up to a minute or more to load a page sometimes. Other times it moves instantly. Very unusual. Fizzle (talk) 17:45, 28 February 2012 (EST)

Same. It was loading slowly when I first logged in and would take minutes for a page to load, but now they are pretty fast again. However, the fastness isn't really constant. :( Also, HK is right. I just tried editing Death Mountain Magical Transporter.png this file and clicked save, but it didn't save the changes and just brought me back to the editing screen....which makes no sense because earlier on I had edited a file? Also, I'm trying to delete this file that was created recently due to vandalism and the same thing happens...it won't let me delete: AoL GBA US Box --Dany36 00:06, 29 February 2012 (EST)
Thirded. Lately I've getting the most issues during the late evening. It'll either be really slow or it won't work at all :X. Luckily, like Dany said, it's been a bit faster in the last 25 or so minutes, but it's still pretty frustrating. Ekim 00:27, 29 February 2012 (EST)
Yeah, I just made a change which should've sped things up a bit. I'm looking into the editing issue now. Apologies for the inconvenience. Meltphace 00:37, 29 February 2012 (EST)
Thanks. One thing I've noticed is that I can delete/edit certain files (such as File:003.JPG and File:002.JPG that I recently deleted), but others I can't even touch... --Dany36 12:10, 29 February 2012 (EST)

For some reason, certain pages double up. The sidebar is displayed twice, and a second copy of the page is seen below the original. The second copy has the following message:

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:

    (SQL query hidden)

from within function "DatabaseBase::getMasterPos". Database returned error "1227: Access denied; you need the SUPER,REPLICATION CLIENT privilege for this operation (".

I've seen the doubling happen on this page (Milk Bar) as well as my talk page. Dany36 reports a similar issue with her talk page.

The above error message can also be seen while editing a page in the "Currently editing" ajax thing at the top.— Abdullah [T] [C] [S]  15:07, 29 February 2012 (EST)

The MySQL error should now be fixed. We're still looking into the other edit problems. Meltphace 18:18, 29 February 2012 (EST)
Sorry about all that. We had a database problem before. We had to fix a bit of some permissions. This should all be good now. sluzorz 14:02, 1 March 2012 (EST)
Nice! However...now the sidebars with the community links and masterminds are missing. :( --Dany36 20:11, 1 March 2012 (EST)
I'll take a look into it. I'm not sure why that's happened. sluzrz 3:00, 2 March 2012 (EST)

Any update on the image editing issue? Thanks for all the help, btw! Ekim 00:06, 3 March 2012 (EST)

Yeah, thanks for the quick updates, too. However...I had another small problem. I recently uploaded a newer version of SS Link Running Model.png (he's supposed to have a shield), but the first time I uploaded it, the image didn't correctly show it (neither did the thumbnail). pic1 Same thing with PH Torch02.png. I uploaded a completely different image (a bomb bag), but the thumbnail didn't show correctly until I uploaded it again. pic2 I asked another friend to check them out for me just to make sure I wasn't the only one having the problem, but the same thing happens to him. :c Oh, and I tried purging the page and refreshing it (that usually does the trick), but nothing happened. --Dany36 01:07, 3 March 2012 (EST)
I updated the File:ALttP Agahnim Artwork 2.png image recently and all it did was increase the image size, until I checked it again about an hour or two later when it'd actually been updated. It was very odd and sounds like the same issue you're having. There's definitely some weird stuff going on with images, and not being able to edit them is a BIG issue at the moment, easily the biggest issue with the wiki right now. I too would like an update on that. Fizzle (talk) 07:16, 3 March 2012 (EST)
Ok, yeah, now the images show up as they should but still, why is it taking so long for the images to update? --Dany36 10:25, 3 March 2012 (EST)
Also, the problem with guests and not loading up-to-date information on pages still persists. I was just browsing the Milk Bar as a guest, and only this comment:
::I'll take a look into it. I'm not sure why that's happened. [[User:sluzorz|sluzrz]] 3:00, 2 March 2012 (EST)
...would show up. Same thing with a Levias edit I did last night. As a guest, it looks like this: [1], when it should look like this: [2]. Only after I purged the pages as a guest did it show the new information (in both the Milk Bar and the Levias), which...didn't use to be a problem for guests. The Recent Changes still shows only a few March 2 edits as well. Is there a problem going on with cache-ing or something? I'm clueless about this stuff, so... --Dany36 12:22, 3 March 2012 (EST)

It looks like we can edit/delete files with uppercase extensions. In order to edit/delete images with lowercase extensions, we first have to move them so they have uppercase extensions. Hopefully this information will help you solve the problem. — Abdullah [T] [C] [S]  13:04, 4 March 2012 (EST)

It seems we can also delete/edit .jpegs. Just my two cents! --Dany36 00:31, 5 March 2012 (EST)
So...are we gonna be stuck with this? :c --Dany36 18:56, 8 March 2012 (EST)
Yeah, what's going on? Is the way images work right now (taking a long or seemingly random time to recache themselves) and the lack of editing the data unfixable or what? Its been a pretty long time since this started. We could do with an update here, guys. Fizzle (talk) 12:14, 10 March 2012 (EST)
There's a lot of superseeded images I can't place the template on at all at the moment due to this issue. We're going to build up a huge backlog eventually if this isn't fixed. Fizzle (talk) 12:14, 10 March 2012 (EST)
Jason said that they're currently looking into these issues (college exams and whatnot got in the way) so hopefully it won't take much longer. c: --Dany36 12:59, 10 March 2012 (EST)
It's been awhile without any new updates, at least not here, but I assume nothing has changed? What a pain... Fizzle (talk) 09:57, 23 March 2012 (EDT)
Seems like the file issue has been fixed! Feel free to edit any images you couldn't before. It seems like it also updates the newer version faster (like before, it might take a few seconds, or by pressing F5/purge). -Dany36 17:55, 29 March 2012 (EDT)

On-going issues

As well as the issue with not being able to edit images, it seems the random image templates aren't working properly at the moment; they don't seem to change when I refresh the page. Fizzle (talk) 20:17, 2 March 2012 (EST)

For the record, he's talking about these: Template:RandomLinkImage, Template:RandomZeldaImage, Template:RandomGanonImage. I'm having the same problem as well. Also, when I browse as a guest, almost none of the March 2 edits show up in the recent changes, and the community/masterminds links are missing as well ([3]). Also also, any progress on the editing/deleting files problem? --Dany36 20:31, 2 March 2012 (EST)
Bad news about the random selection plugin. I had to remove the line in it which disables caching, so the random choice will now be cached. Caching is the most basic principle of website optimization: rather then allowing the servers to regenerate each web page each time it is loaded, we cache rendered wiki pages in multiple layers. (Wikipedia does this with a piece of software called Squid, which is why RandomSelection is not installed on Wikipedia. We use a piece of software called Varnish.) The random selection plugin was disabling this, which meant that every time someone loaded the Ganon or Zelda or Link page, the servers would have to generate the page from scratch; this would cause a loading time around two to five seconds. With caching, it's under a half a second on average. The image will still be randomized, but the page will only be regenerated when it's edited; so the image will change when the page is edited. If you'd rather have these pages load in a 2-5 seconds rather then half a second, I can add that line back in (as long as it doesn't increase the load on the servers too much). Meltphace 23:38, 2 March 2012 (EST)
Did we get a huge downgrade on the server or something? I can't see the random images being particularly useful if they only update when the page is edited. I assume everyone sees a different image too, or is it the same for everone? Right now the Ganon page is stuck on Zelda II Ganon for me, for example. I would rather have the site running smoothly, there's nothing wrong with cutting waste for smoother running, but would it be possible to add that line in just for those pages? An extra second or two doesn't sound like a big deal if it was only for those pages, but I'm no expert on how this all works. Fizzle (talk) 07:16, 3 March 2012 (EST)
Oh wait, it's actually TP Beast Ganon today, odd. Fizzle (talk) 07:18, 3 March 2012 (EST)
Yeah, I would also like for those pages to continue having the randomized image every time they load...if it's not too much of a strain on the server. --Dany36 22:55, 4 March 2012 (EST)

I'm having problems with creating new talk pages. When I press Show Preview or Save Changes, the page simply reloads and displays a blank form without submitting my content. Please fix this, as there are several superseded images that require a deletion request in their respective talk pages. Wwtoonlinkfan 21:30, 8 March 2012 (EST)

Audio files

Here's another one: we can't upload .ogg files. When trying to upload it from the wiki, it just gives you a blank page after a while. When I tried uploading it using an external program to the wiki (The Commonist), it gave me this error: could not upload (unexpected response: HTTP/1.0 500 Internal Server Error). --Dany36 00:18, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

Adding audio files to a page?

I was wondering how you would go about adding a music file to a page? Like adding the music of a certain place/dungeon from a certain game to it's corresponding page? Can anyone do that or can only certain members do that? Are there any specifications as to where the music file came from? Just wondering...

TriForce64 15:24, 12 March 2012 (EDT)

It's pretty easy, anyone can do it. You just have to upload the file in .ogg format and then add it to the dungeon or place article like this:
|theme= [[File:name of file here.ogg|noicon]]
If the |theme= isn't already on the page, you can just add it at the bottom of the place or dungeon template. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask! --Dany36 15:42, 12 March 2012 (EDT)

I tried uploading an .ogg file, the page looked like it was loading for a couple minutes and then it brought me to a blank page. I'm assuming it failed to upload, 'coz I looked at the upload logs and it didn't mention the file I tried uploading... weird.

TriForce64 22:38, 12 March 2012 (EDT)TriForce64

Sigh...yeah I just tried uploading a .ogg file and it gave me an error as well. I guess it must be another leftover bug from the server move. I'll report it. Sorry for the inconvenience! -Dany36 00:16, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

Don't mean to rush the maintenance peeps, but, has this problem been solved? Is there anything I could do to help with this? TriForce64 23:31, 17 April 2012 (EDT)TriForce64

Unfortunately not. This is something that can only be fixed on the server end, and we seem to be having trouble reaching our system administrators. Rest assured, we're doing what we can... which is nagging the sys admins until their ears fall off :P— Hylian King [*] 07:09, 18 April 2012 (EDT)

Writing Gerudo

I have a small request. Could anyone make a template that makes it possible to write words in Gerudo? I'm requesting something similar to Template:HylianTP, which according to the page, allows one to write up to sixteen words in hylian. I've uploaded the letters under the file names GerudoA.png, GerudoB.png etc. to GerudoSEMICOLON.png, Gerudo5.png, Gerudo1.png, GerudoEXCLAMATION.png and GerudoQUESTION.png

When that is done, we can finally start adding to the Gerudo Typography Translations. --Norrvegr (talk | contribs) 10:01, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

Can't place image in userbox

Hello! I'm looking for information on how to put images in userboxes. Could anyone help me? With all due respect, Medipink 12:25, 7 April 2012 (EDT)

You were close! There was an unnecessary colon (:) in front of the file. The only time you use that is when you want to link to a file without the whole image showing up. In this case, you want the image to show, so I removed the colon. — Hylian King [*] 12:42, 7 April 2012 (EDT)

Thanks! I really need to learn how to use the edit tools. For that, I grant you My blessings. With much gratitude, Medipink 19:02, 11 April 2012 (EDT)

Shield Strength

OK, so I've got this table comparing the toughness of the various shields in Skyward Sword on my sandbox page, but I'm not sure quite how to incorporate this information into an existing wiki article. Should it go on the Shield page? The Upgrade page? Should it have its own page of some kind (e.g. "Shields of Skyward Sword")? Also, should the table's format be changed at all? (I'm probably going to shrink the shield sprites somewhat, but is there anything else that should be changed?) --Osteoderm Jacket 01:56, 21 April 2012 (EDT)

Oh wow, that's really cool. I'm thinking a "Shields of Skyward Sword" page would make the most sense. — Hylian King [*] 07:34, 21 April 2012 (EDT)
That's some really useful research you did there, Osteoderm! However, I'm not sure it should get its own page, so I vote for it just being a subsection of the shield article. --Dany36 11:15, 21 April 2012 (EDT)
Thanks for the feedback! Also, I recognize the table's sorting is currently a bit buggy. I'll fix it before adding it to whatever page we end up deciding on. --Osteoderm Jacket 19:53, 21 April 2012 (EDT)
meh, maybe Dany's right. I change my mind :P — Hylian King [*]
Btw, Osteoderm, nice DBZ reference. :P --Dany36 21:24, 21 April 2012 (EDT)
Anyone else want to voice an opinion? If not, I'll add it to Shield. Should it just be its own section, or should I work it into one of the sections that are already there? I'm thinking the former; it doesn't really fit into any of the other sections. --Osteoderm Jacket 20:14, 26 April 2012 (EDT)
OK, so I assume everyone's for adding it to Shield. The only reason why I haven't done so yet is that I can't figure out how to fix the sorting bug. The bug in question: If you click the button at the top of the "Strength" column, the initial sort from weakest to strongest works fine, as does the sort from strongest to weakest if you click it again. The problem comes if you click it a third time. It goes back to sorting them from weakest to strongest, but the order is wrong. The Hylian Shield and the Fortified Shield are out of place. I haven't been able to figure out why this happens. Anyone have any ideas? I'll probably put it in the article soon regardless, since it's not a massive issue, but I'd still like to fix it. --Osteoderm Jacket 23:40, 5 May 2012 (EDT)
Sorting gets a little complicated when you have numbers and special characters in the same column. I'll spare you the details, but long story short, using an alphabetical sorting key instead of a numerical one seems to solve the problem. — Hylian King [*] 07:46, 6 May 2012 (EDT)
Oops, hadn't realized you had already published it! It looks great, by the way. — Hylian King [*] 07:58, 6 May 2012 (EDT)
I know I am very late to this discussion. The chart looks great! However, I do believe I would go with Hylian King's first suggestion of its contents belonging on a "Shields of Skyward Sword" article or even their individual articles. The reason I say this is because there only one game with Shield durability, and this information takes up a large part of the page. As an article meant to encompass all Shields in the series, the information should be pretty balanced. Maybe I am just nitpicking, but I personally do not think it belongs there. Noble Wrot 12:05, 28 May 2012 (EDT)
I'm happy to move the table to its own article if more people want that, as long as the information is somewhere on the wiki. --Osteoderm Jacket 18:58, 4 June 2012 (EDT)

Invalid thumbnail parameters

OK, so I uploaded a high-res map of The Minish Cap's overworld, but after I did so I got the message "Error creating thumbnail: Invalid thumbnail parameters". As the message implies, this image does not appear in thumbnail form currently and can only be viewed at its full resolution. How do I fix this? --Osteoderm Jacket 02:15, 3 May 2012 (EDT)

We usually get those errors when the image dimensions are too big...and that image's certainly huge! It's such a shame, really, but maybe you could cut the dimensions in half? I'll report this issue either way. --Dany36 11:33, 3 May 2012 (EDT)

Outside Sources

This doesn't happen much but sometimes I will update a page by adding a few sentences and when I try to upload it says "You're update contains outside sources, answer this question to continue. Q:What weapon does Link commonly use A: Sword" Once I answer the question it lets me update with out any problems. Does anyone understand what's happening --Person777 12:00, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

That's perfectly normal, it's an anti-spam measure. Nothing to worry about. Unfortunately, it hasn't been perfected yet, which is why it sometimes shows up even when you haven't added a new external link. — Hylian King [*] 07:36, 7 May 2012 (EDT)

Can more information be provided on the Swamp Tourist Center Guide?

For years I've played and replayed Majora's Mask and I've NEVER been able to provide the Swamp Tourist Center Guide a picture of his son, Tingle. How do you get him to accept an image from outside the swamp?

While the contest rules typically restrict the picture area to "within the swamp", there are two exceptions. Tingle is one of them, the Deku King being the other. In the case of Tingle, just make sure you get a clear shot of him (anywhere will do) and then show the pictograph. --Shiningpikablu252 13:14, 22 May 2012 (EDT)


How do you create userboxes? I'd like someone to explain in detail and make it simple to understand. I think Abdullah or Hylian King could be most suited for this, since Abdullah is an admin here and Hylian King has userboxes in his talk page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samirsaidi (talk) 03:55, 28 May 2012

We happen to have a really simple tutorial for making Userboxes. I hope this helps. :) - TonyT S C 06:38, 28 May 2012 (EDT)