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Armor Templating

a few days ago i believe you mentioned you would show the proper formatting for information related to pieces of armor in Breath of the Wild. is this information available yet? Stonga (talk) 18:28, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Not just yet, but I will reply on the Armor talk page the moment I have them up. The examples will be for the Hylian Set and the Hylian Hood. TriforceTony (talk) 22:34, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Thunder Helm as a key item

Tony, to avoid war-editing I'd like to discuss this issue of the thunder helm not being a key item. Key items are those that appear under the key items section of the game. The master sword is a key item, the champions tunic is a key item, in the sense that a key item is some main item in the game, but the thunder helm is wildly out of place in the Key Items section when (unless you have a very unique copy) the helm does not appear under Key Items. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmhurd (talk) 19:39, 16 June 2017‎ (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're talking about. The Master Sword and Champion's Tunic are both just Weapons and Armor respectively. The Thunder Helm appears in the Key Items section in the inventory when you first obtain it for Riju, and later appears as Armor when you obtain it the second time. TriforceTony (talk) 03:26, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Original Manga Character Pages

Hey Tony. Some of the characters original to the Legend of Zelda mangas don't have their own pages. I've thought about creating these pages, except my camera doesn't allow me to take the image type used on the wiki and I can't seem to fix it. I considered creating the pages anyway and leaving the character template without the respective image for another user to add, except that wouldn't exactly help it follow the quality standards. What are your thoughts on this?
Also, is there a reason why these pages haven't been made? I vaguely recall there being a page for the character Erune, although it appears to be deleted.

Take care. - Ciela04 (talk) 17:22, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

It's OK if a character doesn't have an image by the time the page is made. We have Template:No Image for that purpose, so someone will eventually add the image. I don't think there's any reason the pages haven't been made other than the fact that the manga just aren't as popular. You're very much welcome to have a go at making them, though. TriforceTony (talk) 17:33, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
Yeah don't be afraid to make a page without an image. Do whatever you can do. But what format does your camera use? Maybe we can figure out how to convert it to png. Hylian pi (talk) 17:38, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks guys :-) My camera takes .jpg and .IMG. I've spoken to an editor about this before who, thankfully, gave me some advice on the topic. It's possible to be fixed, I just don't have the time at the present. Hopefully I will be able to soon though. - Ciela04 (talk) 18:23, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Proposal: Could we update the Canon policy in light of recent news?

Hey Tony! Hope you've been well. I have a proposal regarding what counts as canon in the Zelda universe in light of recent news:

Initially Hyrule Warriors was deemed as non canon. Aonuma said it was not a part of the timeline, thus not a part of the main story. However he said it does exist in the Zelda Universe, albeit in another dimension.[1]

Recently, we have found out that currently, Breath of the Wild does not exist on the Zelda timeline either, thus it's currently not part of the main story until a placement is decided.[2] However, Breath of the Wild is obviously still canon. Aonuma currently does not know where it would fit, that is if he even decides to fit it into the timeline at all. So to be consistent, Hyrule Warriors existing in another dimension should be considered canon too.

Both Hyrule Warriors and Breath of the Wild take place after Ocarina of time. In Hyrule Warriors this is evident from the plot where portals to the Ocarina of Time Era, Skyward Sword era, and Twilight Princess open up. In Breath of the Wild this is evident from an interview with Aonuma,[3] as well as references to Ganondorf's Gerduo form, the Divine Beasts named after the Sages, Lon Lon Ranch, the Temple of Time and other in game references.

Both Hyrule Warriors and Breath of the Wild follow the events of the main timeline (set after Ocarina of Time), but they are not on the actual timeline themselves. Not being on the timeline used to be enough to deem a game non-canon, however with recent news this should change.

Thus Hyrule Warriors should be considered canon or at least semi-canon, as existing in another dimension, is still existing.[4] Especially since Breath of the Wild retains canon status despite not being on the timeline either.[5]Editorguy117 (talk) 22:20, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

References

  1. "Within the Zelda canon, there is the timeline, but there has always been the sense of the main story and kind of a side story. Like, Majora's Mask might be considered part of that, though it does exist as part of the timeline. With Hyrule Warriors, there is a link between the two, but it exists as a separate dimension, so it doesn't exist as part of the main canon.", Eiji Aonuma - Eiji Aonuma Addresses Hyrule Warriors Place in the Zelda Timeline
  2. "Actually, those timeline-related questions are difficult because we’ve never designed any Zelda games by saying “hey, we’re going to put that game here, we need to have it fit into this period or that one, etc.” That’s not what comes first for us. But indeed, once the game is released and we’ve been able to develop our story, we can tell each other “oh yes, we can make it fit here”, but that’s not important to us. Especially since there could be contradictions in every new game if we tried to follow the timeline. If we can put a game in the timeline, that’s great, but as for Breath of the Wild, we haven’t really decided where it belongs for now.", Eiji Aonuma - Zelda: Breath of the Wild devs on why Hero’s Path Mode was added as DLC, timeline, more
  3. Ben Reeves: "Does Breath of the Wild take place before or after Ocarina of Time?". Eiji Aonuma: "After." - 51 Questions And Answers About The Legend Of Zelda: Breath Of The Wild
  4. "Within the Zelda canon, there is the timeline, but there has always been the sense of the main story and kind of a side story. Like, Majora's Mask might be considered part of that, though it does exist as part of the timeline. With Hyrule Warriors, there is a link between the two, but it exists as a separate dimension, so it doesn't exist as part of the main canon.", Eiji Aonuma - Eiji Aonuma Addresses Hyrule Warriors Place in the Zelda Timeline
  5. "Actually, those timeline-related questions are difficult because we’ve never designed any Zelda games by saying “hey, we’re going to put that game here, we need to have it fit into this period or that one, etc.” That’s not what comes first for us. But indeed, once the game is released and we’ve been able to develop our story, we can tell each other “oh yes, we can make it fit here”, but that’s not important to us. Especially since there could be contradictions in every new game if we tried to follow the timeline. If we can put a game in the timeline, that’s great, but as for Breath of the Wild, we haven’t really decided where it belongs for now.", Eiji Aonuma - Zelda: Breath of the Wild devs on why Hero’s Path Mode was added as DLC, timeline, more

New / replacement images

Hi TT, I'm an infrequent contributor and having some trouble with uploading images as replacements, or additions to a gallery. I just updated several images in Enemies in Tri Force Heroes and elsewhere, and I have a screenshot of Stalchampion in the same pose as seen on that page, but with his English name. The Upload form won't let me replace it because it's currently a JPG and my picture is a PNG, so I'm not sure what to do.

In addition, while I'd keep that picture in the Stalchampion's Gallery, I've got another PNG of just the model to put on the Enemies list. Would this be done by uploading the new PNG on its own, then editing the source of the Enemies list? Sorry for my WikiDumbness, it's just hard to find specific answers in the help pages. --Htwretched (talk) 04:46, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

PNG images are almost always preferred over JPG, and it's impossible to upload a different filetype over another. If you have a PNG version of a JPG image, just upload it to the name with PNG.
You would upload a PNG (if the old one is a JPG) and then edit the appropriate pages, yes. It's fine to replace JPG images with PNGs. TriforceTony (talk) 05:59, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Preferred image name in use

Hello again. A few months back you mentioned to me that Zelda Wiki aims to keep all official screenshots / media archived. I went to upload a new image of Margoma and saw that the current image is from the official Japanese Zelda Twitter account, but its filename was the preferred TFH Margoma Model.png. I uploaded the new one to TFH Margoma Model Large.png and I'm just mentioning this because I don't know how to properly rename then to get the new image showing on all pages, rather than auto-redirecting to the old one. --Htwretched (talk) 19:06, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

I renamed them for you. By the way, you should have a Slack invitation in your email, so you can message me directly about these things once you accept it. TriforceTony (talk) 20:04, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Spirit Tracks Character names

Just to make sure I don't do anything wrong again, I wanted to ask what I should do regarding the names. I don't have Encylopedia myself, and thus can't double check each character's name.

If the best course of action is that I do nothing and have other people just use my translations if necessary, I'd be fine with that, too. I'd just be happy if the Spirit Tracks characters would no longer have fan-made names like "woman who likes fish" listed there, it feels off. --Kaialone02 (talk) 22:37, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Well, we tend to shy away from using unofficial translations for names (like ハージ (Hāji) being turned into "Hage" without any apparent basis). Most of the time, unless it's clearly a transliteration of an English word/name, we just use direct romanization for names (like Mōrī instead of "Morley" for モーリー). That's the only thing I would think to caution you on. If you can, just try to follow that when adding names and leave the meaning field blank unless the book provides a name origin like "mushroom" for Yamahiko (whose name they switched up with Mash for some reason). TriforceTony (talk) 22:53, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
Also if it's not clear enough, you're welcome to cite yourself for the names. Just try to make the quote field of the Cite web template more direct to the appropriate sections on your blog. TriforceTony (talk) 23:01, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Oh, I was gonna ask you if you were sure you didn't mix up Mush/Mash and Yamahiko, but maybe it's a printing error in one of the two books, or the English translation? And I can adapt to your standards for romanizations, of course. For my personal translations I tend to go for the direct spelling of the origin (like "Mush" because it's from "mushroom" and the Japanese spelling is identical for the name and the word) or for a spelling that's an actual name, for example "Mōrī" is actually how the Western name "Morley" is spelled in Japanese. I mean, we don't call them Rinku and Zeruda either. But I understand that with unoffical translations, more direct romanizations can be better to avoid mistakes arising from speculation.

Anyway, I could go ahead and fix up articles of all the Spirit Tracks characters as best as I can, going with the names you listed. Though I am not sure if I can really cite myself any better considering it's all just one big post? (Unless that's not what you meant)

But I have one more question. In the case of Teacher and the Wise One, would it make sense to make note of ther actual Japanese given names in their articles? Albatross and Merluza respectively, pretty sure about the spelling because they're named a train and a fish. Unless Encyclopedia gives them different English names, too.

Well, either way, thank you for being patient with me.--Kaialone02 (talk) 23:16, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for the late response, but you can see an example of what I mean by citing here.
If a name is confirmed to be from an English word, you're very much in the right to use the English equivalent (such as Mash's name coming from mushroom). However, if the name isn't from an English word and speculation is required to make the connection (or if the name is confirmed to be from something else entirely, like how Mōrī is directly stated to come from 森), it should be avoided.
With the Teacher and the Wise One, since we go by American English canon above anything else, actual names from the JP canon should be kept to the Nomenclature section. (Basically English titles > Japanese names.) TriforceTony (talk) 20:09, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

User:Cipriano_119/sig

Hi, i've been digging through obscured redirects and hidden talk pages. Mind becoming a bot to replace all instances of User:Cipriano 119/sig to its location, and delete the redirect? the redirect result can be noticed from pages like this. Cremia2000 (My talk) 23:46, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

BotW Needed Pages

Hey TriforceTony, I was wondering about the articles you said that you were creating with a spreadsheet and all that, and I was wondering what you were using on that spreadsheet. Are you doing only Weapons in Breath of the Wild, or are you doing places and materials and everything else? Thanks! — 𝐌𝐚𝐠𝐢𝐜𝐦𝐚𝐬𝐨𝐧𝟏𝟎𝟎𝟎 (𝙩𝙖𝙡𝙠) 04:54, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

I've already done all the locations to a bare minimum level of quality so they're fair game. Though I welcome you to take part in our Wiki Weekly events that we currently have every Sunday morning over on our Discord server. We work on Breath of the Wild locations together as a team since it's much faster that way. Everything else (like items) still has yet to be done just yet, I'm afraid. TriforceTony (talk) 01:24, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Breath of the Wild soundtrack

Is it ok if I upload ogg files from the BotW soundtrack? Zeldafan1982 (talk) 19:03, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

(I can't offer legal advice here but) I would say not unless it's to actually demonstrate something in an article and even then it should only be as much to demonstrate that exact thing (such as leitmotifs). TriforceTony (talk) 21:02, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Full-sized image seems to be unavailable

Hi Tony, I was going to work on some Image Alteration and went to download the full-sized Majora's Mask Deku Link image. But no matter what I do, it gives me a compressed 584x688 copy instead. I've tried on multiple browsers and clearing the cache, but same thing. Anyway I'm just bringing it to your attention because you uploaded the most recent version of it, albeit several years ago. Htwretched (talk) 01:35, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

The prior version of that image is available. Do you recall if the latest version was just a crop? I would have assumed so, but its file size is larger. Htwretched (talk) 00:31, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm pretty positive it wasn't just a crop. Link Lab explained it elsewhere but it's a result of the file being moved. This is something that's affected a few other files and it's one that Gamepedia has been alerted to, so hopefully it can be resolved soon. Unfortunately as it is now I don't believe we can access the proper file just yet. TriforceTony (talk) 03:02, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Deleted ogg files

Hello. I saw that you removed ogg files from pages. What was the reason? Zeldafan1982 (talk) 18:23, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

It's for legal reasons, I'm afraid. It's nice to have access to the in-game tracks but unless we have an actual purpose for displaying them, we're effectively walking the line of hosting music for the sake of distributing it. We don't want to earn Nintendo's ire, so the main option is simply removing them unless we can justify their presence. TriforceTony (talk) 13:41, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Edit Summary Clarification

Hi, I was hoping you could expand on this edit summary for me, because it doesn't really make sense. --Hoennmaster08 (talk) 04:04, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

I think the idea is that BotW is an open world game allowing you to use items and such to elevate yourself up in the air. So a single location isn't true as you could use game mechanics to see all of them from almost anywhere on the map. MannedTooth (talk) 19:14, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
That's just not true though. There are plenty of landmarks that block certain towers from certain areas. For instance, if you are in most of East Necluda you can't see most other towers because of the Dueling Peaks, and Gerudo Tower cannot be seen from most locations because the Gerudo Highlands rise above it. I was bored but wanted to play the game one day so I visited all of the highest points in the game (Hebra Peak, Death Mountain, Dueling Peaks, Gerudo Highlands, and Mount Lanayru) and even if you use Revali's Gale, there is always at least one tower that you cannot see. --Hoennmaster08 (talk) 06:06, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Translation pages

Hey Tony, I'm currently editing the translation pages for Phantom Hourglass in conjunction with the "Nomenclature" sections of the respective pages. If a row contains at least one deviation (in terms of meaning) from the English name, should I fill the rest of the row with the meaning "Same as English." (using it the way you told me recently) or the English name itself? Because leaving them empty entirely seems inconsistent, as if information was missing. - Weirdguy42 (talk) 14:24, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Locked page requests and question

On Zelda Wiki:Canon Policy, "Super Smash Bros. series" should be listed as one option, as with the Tingle games (or at the very least, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate should be added). Speaking of canon, why did you add the non-canon template to Tingle Tuner? Where was it confirmed to be non-canon? Rjd1922 (talk) 02:38, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Also, on Template:Bosses, replace The Wind Waker and Majora's Mask icons with File:TWW Wind Waker Render.png (official render already used on Template:Songs) and File:MM3D Majora's Mask Render.png (updated artwork) respectively. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjd1922 (talk) 17:30, 7 April 2019

No, the Super Smash Bros. series should not be listed as one option. That page you are referring to is being phased out and replaced with the equivalent guidelines.
The Tingle Tuner is not canon because it was removed in The Wind Waker HD. The Wind Waker HD is the latest in the canon of The Wind Waker.
In the future it would be best to request for actions to protected pages on their talk pages. I will see about the templates you mentioned. TriforceTony (talk) 00:13, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
I did bring it up on Zelda Wiki talk:Canon Policy, but didn't get a response. Rjd1922 (talk) 02:38, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Could you please update The Wind Waker and Majora's Mask icons on Template:Bosses to make it consistent with Template:DungeonNav2 and Template:Translations? Also, Template:MammalianEnemy has a picture of a White Wolfos, but it's linked to normal Wolfos. I also think File:TP White Wolfos Model.png looks better. rjd1922 (talk) 06:06, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Why did you remove the MammalianEnemy image entirely? All the other enemy templates have an image on the right. rjd1922 (talk) 21:24, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
Among the staff we're going to be discussing the pros and cons of using images like that and I'm using that template as a basis for discussion. If we decide to continue the practice I'll be sure to add the new one back in. TriforceTony (talk) 20:24, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Template:Figurine problem

Something is going on with this template. Using google I found six pages that have the same error: Lua error: Error: unclosed string literal.. The pages are: Maggie's Father, Mila's Father, Mama's Cafe, Link's Grandma, Killer Bees and Vaati. Zeldafan1982 (talk) 20:50, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Hey there, thanks for bringing this up, I was already aware of that issue, I simply didn't get to it until now. It should now be fixed! Thanks again! :) MannedTooth (talk) 00:42, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Proper Time References

Please compare the edits to the Blood Moon page, made tonight by both myself and Brynn13, to determine the correct language to refer to time periods.
Thanks.
-Mugen Kagemaru (talk) 02:02, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Re: Malice

We already have a page for Malice, though. Wouldn't a page just for the pools be redundant?
-Mugen Kagemaru (talk) 00:43, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Malice covers various things such as the substance in general as well as monsters made of it (such as Glowing Eyeballs). Pools of Malice are specifically the dangerous obstacles that can be found along the ground in Breath of the Wild. TriforceTony (talk) 00:48, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Two questions

Why is File:CoH Tile.png locked? I made a 230×125 tile from the icon artwork which I believe is much better than the current, which comes from a trailer screenshot. Also, File:CoH Unnamed Character Sprite 7.png is a young Ganondorf, seeing as he's the only male Gerudo and plays an organ like in OoT; should this be mentioned? rjd1922 (talk) 16:23, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Files and pages relating to the Main Page should always remain locked to prevent abuse, so that's probably why it isn't accessible. Looking at that artwork, it probably would serve as an acceptable replacement. Could you upload the file in the Cadence of Hyrule channel on the Discord?
Regarding Ganondorf, it's implied but not stated. In this instance, it would be a bit of a leap to say it's necessarily Ganondorf because he is never actually named in-game. We can probably include a Cadence of Hyrule section about the child on Ganondorf's page, but we should stop short of calling him Ganondorf. TriforceTony (talk) 16:57, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
I uploaded it to Discord; what do you think? rjd1922 (talk) 04:42, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
It's uploaded over the old one now. The source on the original file needs to be fixed, though. It should link to the web page where it was obtained, not the file designation on the website. TriforceTony (talk) 16:53, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
I fixed that. rjd1922 (talk) 19:30, 25 June 2019 (UTC)