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Hyrule Warriors other Weapon users

Ive finished analyzing each square as best as I could on all the DLC maps to see which character was using which weapon for u all. If u wish to double check it all, feel free to let me know. Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 01:02, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm thinking we might make them into tables rather than bullet lists to avoid redundancy, but nice work nonetheless. - TonyT S C 01:48, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
I may wanna help u make them into tables but questions, Are u still keeping it under Trivia? Or are u putting them under a new Title? Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 22:39, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Trivia should suffice. Here's what I'm thinking of for a base:
<div style="display:none">
{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="text-align:center; width:100%; max-width:31em"
! Other users of the WEAPON
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center; width:99%; max-width:30em"
!width="30%"| Warrior
!width="40%"| Map
!width="30%"| Tile
And here's it in action:
Other users of the Harp
Warrior Map Tile
HWDE Impa Mini Map Icon.png
Termina Map C1
HWDE Zelda Mini Map Icon.png
Master Quest Map C8
Twilight Map F5
Termina Map D4
I would order the Warriors by their in-game order. - TonyT S C 08:47, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Opinions on a project

So I've started working on something I've been thinking of doing for a while now, a User WIP of a page listing for the various different character portraits in the HW series. Having an opinion on it, as well as getting it up to wiki standard so it can be a mainstay page, could be appreciated. If you have any suggestions please put it here.
Ixbran (talk) 04:35, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

We pronounce Vaati the same!

I pronouce it "Vah-Tee" as well! :D What a coincidence! It's probably correct, but as for Kakariko Village, I pronounce that "Kah-ka-reh-ko". It's probably "Ka-car-riko", but it's like, I always pronounce it like I did before, even once I find out it's the incorrect pronounciation. Are you like that? TrueZelda3 (talk) 19:16, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Considering that Kakariko is the same in English as in Japanese, I would think that the closest reasonable pronunciation would be how it's pronounced in Japanese, which would be roughly /ka̠ka̠ɺĩko̞/. Normally after finding out the proper pronunciation, I switch to it. Kind of begrudgingly in the case of Fi. - TonyT S C 21:13, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Inter wiki links missing?

Hello, I was wondering if you could add inter wiki links to Zeldapendium on the main page and recentchanges. --Raltseye (talk) 23:27, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

I'll look into it. - TonyT S C 23:51, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Are you working on subdividing the items page aswell?

I was told on the Items page on BotW that you were, but I can't find anything in your sandbox as stated. Should I continue doing what I'm doing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Starcatcher77 (talk) 14:00, 16 June 2016‎

Hey, sorry I didn't respond sooner. Traveling to and from Los Angeles is a pain, so I've been doing things minimally.
I'm going to be splitting the pages as they should be, so what I would recommend is to keep collecting information and if it clashes with what I have, just make note of it in the talk page. Are you OK to do that? - TonyT S C 08:43, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

BotW Corrections

Hi Tony. Could you please add the correct prefix and suffix to this and this, please? Two I slipped up on early on when I was getting used to correct format for naming. Many thanks. Don't know if there's a better way to contact you about slip ups like these. Dekusian

Done! - TonyT S C 22:00, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! I just noticed there's one more but that's the last of them, I swear! Thanks again. Dekusian
Got it. Also, you should sign your signature with four tildes (~~~~). - TonyT S C 22:38, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Monolithic vs Overview + Detailed Sub-articles

This is just a quick question on which is the preferred method since the page I'm wondering about still fits within the size limitation, but will one day by it's very design exceed that limit. In such a case should a page contain all the data for every game even though the data within the different tables has little to no bearing on any other table, or should the main page have an overview of the subject and the use of the subject within each game listed?

One example to give this question context would be the Material page. Should this page contain every material used with in every game, or should it give an overview of how materials were used in each game and provide links to pages with further details and data tables for each game? Or should pages like this be more like the Food page which provides a brief overview and then have pages like Food in Breath of the Wild to supplement the information and supply data tables that are unique to the game? Emerald (talk) 05:25, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

What is this size limitation that you're referring to? What I've told my team is that unless it's becoming measurably problematic to have the listings all on the same page, they belong on the Material page all the same. Basically we should err on being monolithic more than making people chase a listing down.
"Food in Breath of the Wild" shouldn't be an article on its own. It should simply be on the Food article, and it's a bad frame of reference because it was constructed by people who simply don't know what is appropriate. Were we to split the Material listings, it would be "Material (Subtitle)" over "Materials in Subtitle". - TonyT S C 05:54, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
There is actually a size limit listed in the Zelda_Wiki:Quality Standards#Article Formatting. Those pages were picked out as examples for content not naming. Emerald (talk) 06:00, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
The standards are presently being rewritten, so I can't guarantee that that stipulation will remain the same. I understand that people have reported 32kb as being where mobile loading tends to get iffy. The Material page loads well enough on my lackluster phone, so I think we may need to revise that in particular. We'll look into it.
Regardless of framing the discussion about size over name, you still created a page with an unfavorable title and it's still a relevant matter to the suggestion of splitting. - TonyT S C 06:23, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
The 32kb is actually historical on that page and the one listed to use is actually 96kb. And the questions were to determine which format was correct. I will freely admit to an unfavorable title now knowing your preference, but "Invalid subject: Unnecessary split." doesn't seem to indicate title, so I was just trying to figure out the whole monolithic vs not thing after having seen both. Thank you for clearing the matter up. Emerald (talk) 06:42, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Marin's bell

The pic is transparent, why put it in Alteration again? Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 00:38, 25 June 2016 (UTC

It needs cleanup. Read the file history. - TonyT S C 00:50, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Also what the hell was all that phone number files and crap? Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 00:58, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Spam. It's normally taken care of covertly. - TonyT S C 01:00, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Thats the second time I see Trolling on this site. Does that happen often? Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 01:07, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
It's more infrequent, but it's our goal to keep it from others as much as we can. - TonyT S C 01:12, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
There's still a Dark version of Medli and Marin Portraits on Spriter Resources. And if we are putting Weapon icon image for the bell, shouldnt we do the same for the others? Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 16:09, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I saw your talk page message to Ixbran.
Yes. - TonyT S C 16:24, 2 July 2016 (UTC)


I didnt see your Summary message until now... Im sorry... :( Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 01:21, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Hey Tony, do you think by tapping the Wolf Link amiibo in Breath of the Wild count as having multiple Links in the game? Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 20:20, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
There is this article in which Aonuma describes Wolf Link in BotW as being effectively an animal. If Link isn't consciously present (read: an animal is basically inhabiting his body), I don't think I'd consider that to be the case. The body is present, but Link is not. - TonyT S C 20:33, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
Ok if it doesnt OFFICIALLY count then, then would putting it in Trivia still be required? Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 20:40, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
Personally I would remove it, but at the very least the phrasing needs to be reworked. - TonyT S C 20:42, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the article, found more pre-shot content that needed to be uploaded to the site~ Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 01:54, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Custom Zelda TimeLine Table

I did a Sandbox to more show the Zelda Timeline more updated with the info of the new Zelda games. I hoping maybe it would good for the Site to get the chance to see. Tho I would like an option from an Admin like you and Chuck. Any thoughts? Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 23:46, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

I shared it among the staff, and the honest consensus is: it's not going to receive our favor.
  1. The formatting is rather poor. That's not your fault, of course, because MediaWiki doesn't allow for a great deal of flexibility, but it's a messy emulation of the Hyrule Historia timeline.
  2. It's basically unreadable on mobile, which is always something to consider when creating a table. Now that we have mobile functionality, all tables should be made with mobile-friendliness in mind going forward.
  3. We already have a plan to address the amended timeline, albeit not immediately. We've been looking at extensions that we can use to better display the timeline in a more comprehensive way.
I would personally advise that you spend your time working on other things instead. - TonyT S C 14:04, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Can I still keep it anyway as a mistake learner? Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 15:39, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Your sandbox is yours to create and expand as you wish. - TonyT S C 16:13, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Can't make account?

My brother is trying to join the wiki, but there's no sign-up link next to the Log In link like there usually is. When we cheated by going straight to Special:CreateAccount, it says only admins and executives can make accounts. Which seems a little like a problem. So uh... why? Peanutjon (talk) 01:54, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Account creation was disabled due to the recent spambots, so once that's resolved it should be back to normal. - Chuck * (Talk) 02:54, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Snowboarding = Shield Surfing

Shouldnt Breath of the Wild Shield surfing and Twilight Princess snowboarding fall under some similar page together? cuz to me, it kinda seems Nintendo is trying to bring back that concept from Twilight princess back into Breath of the Wild. Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 19:24, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

As far as I know, there's no official term for "snowboarding" in Twilight Princess. But the answer is, of course, "yes". - TonyT S C 19:28, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
FYI fussy, I wasnt stealing. I was only helping! Members of a Site, group, community, etc need to work as a Team. And I was only being a Team player for you. Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 21:11, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Your intentions do not matter, you need to respect the uploader's ability to do their own work. Unless someone specifically asks to work in tandem with you, you need to find something else to work on other than what they are doing.
It creates more work for me to have to patrol multiple edits that you make when I intend to complete the work in just one. If you want to be diligent, give it at least half a day of not being somewhere you think it should be. At that point, you're more than welcome to contribute on the uploader's behalf. If you are in need of things to do, there's this category, which should be helpful. - TonyT S C 22:13, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

The Statue

How? they are part of the map and come from the map? Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 02:57, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

They are objects found in the map, but the subject of another article. They belong on the latter. - TonyT S C 13:29, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
Yea but being part or even related to the map, they should be shown as part of the page. Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 13:53, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
That argument could just as easily be applied for characters or miscellaneous objects and items. It will be removed if you attempt to add it again. - TonyT S C 14:00, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
That is why Im talking it out with you silly. Why would I attempt to add it again when you or one of the admins want to see it from a different point of view. and BTW, is the Model Resource site broken for you as well? Cuz everytime i try to go on it, the site isnt loading properly. Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 14:06, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
The Models Resource isn't loading for me, no. I expect it to be back before it becomes a problem. - TonyT S C 14:17, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Animated HW Adventure Mode icons

Like I did with the Spinner rotating, Would it be more effective and more advanced if I did the same for the character icons? Just animating their idling motions of stepping left and right. Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 02:25, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

GIFs are a terrible format and should be entirely avoided. - TonyT S C 02:37, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
Lame. Why and How? Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 02:39, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Hyrule Warriors Sandboxes

I noticed you have a lot of Sandoboxes for Hyrule Warriors, both for translations and for what seems to be a highly ambitious mapping project. I'm not sure how much of a priority these are but if you want I could provide European Translations for the content. Also, the level sets data would require separate stats for Hyrule Warriors and Hyrule Warriors Legends as the warriors gain heart containers faster. I'm also not sure if the experience needed is changed but the ruppee cost for levels is reduced in Legends. Additionally, I was wondering what your plan is regarding adventure map differences between the Hyrule Warriors and Hyrule Warriors Legends maps and if you would like help documenting the differences. For example, no Lv 2 or 3 Weapons are found on the original Adventure map in Legends. Link Lab (talk) 20:21, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

HW - Ganon's Rage and Cucco's Spirit

I know Ganon and the Giant Cucco's attacks arent fully weapons and dont have weapon icons but they are still part of their attacks and Movesets. Can it still be possible to make a Weapon's page for Ganon's Rage and the Cucco's Spirit that explains mostly their Special attack, Focus Spirit and Weak Point smashes and im sure a Attack Combo box can be added once the right information is gathered. And of course possible Galleries. Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 01:16, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Nintendo UK Assets Library

Hi. Do you have access to Nintendo UK Assets Library? Could you share the login or some files from it? Its for another wiki (pidgiwiki). Thanks. --Hiccup (talk) 20:28, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

We basically have every Zelda-related image from the Assets Library already uploaded in here, so you can get them from any gallery page. - Chuck * (Talk) 02:25, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
Its a nice collection, but I'm also interested in non-zelda files and the original PSDs (etc) too. --Hiccup (talk) 11:40, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
Sorry but we can't share that information. - Chuck * (Talk) 03:31, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Sourcing Pronunciations

Hello. How exactly would I go about referencing the source for the pronunciations? My source being two things: the Japanese spelling (if the name is an anglicization of the Japanese name) and the English spelling. I'm well learned in both Japanese and linguistics (specifically for English), so I'd like to be able to use my knowledge to help those who'd like to know the intended pronunciations.Moritasan2040 (talk) 11:15, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Pronunciations must be official (from Nintendo or the company responsible for creating the covered product), so a citation from such a representative or person of authority should accompany any pronunciation claim. There are plenty of enemies whose names should be (at least to us) quite simple to pronounce, but these would be unofficial and potentially misleading without any official backing or representation. In pursuit of the most accurate content, we have to avoid making these logical presumptions.
Consider the official pronunciation for Arceus from the Pokémon series. Its Japanese name is アルセウス, so the logical conclusion would be that the "C" sounds like a soft C. Instead, the "C" is officially a hard C (for reasons), and so the presumption would be inappropriate even with the knowledge of how it should be pronounced in Japanese.
SnorlaxMonster is working on documenting official pronunciations here, if you would like to see about collaborating with him. If you need any information on actually citing these pronunciations, we have a guide for that and an example of it in use here. - TonyT S C 13:05, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

I see. Thank you; I'll have to take a look at that. Tho, even if there is no official sourcable pronunciation, I feel like it should be possible to explain likely English pronunciations. That kind of information is quite often found in encyclopedias and other sources of information when the correct pronunciation, meaning, etc is unknown. Also, going back to the subject of "official sources", I can't help but think of Giygas (named ギーグ / Gīgu in Japanese) from EarthBound, which should be "gee-guhs" based on the Japanese name, but was officially pronounced "gahy-guhs" in a commercial. However, the man who came up with the English version's name recently answered that it's actually "gee-guhs" after all. So I'm not entirely sold on the validity of some of these sources. Plus the guy in the Ghirahim source sounds like he says "gir-uh-geem", and the other guy repeats it as "gee-ruh-heem", neither of which does the Zelda Wiki article actual use; the wiki uses "gi-rah-heem" instead.Moritasan2040 (talk) 10:25, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Hello again. I did try to talk to SnorlaxMonster, but he ignored me. Also, I'm concerned over the pronunciations he's giving. His accent is having heavy influence on the pronunciations on this site. I'm guessing maybe he's British, or something. The British tend to "mispronounce" their short A's (caught, call) as if they were short O's (fought, for), so 'ball' is pronounced like 'bowl'. Of course, Americans tend to do the opposite. While we get ours A's correct, we "mispronounce" short O's as A's. So a word like 'cot' ends up pronounced like 'caught'. And then the British also tend to "mispronounce" AU/AW (the same "short A sounds I mentioned earlier, tho I guess we're not taught to call it that) as if it were a short O. So 'cot' and 'caught' rhyme in both accents, but are pronounced differently. In any case, my point is that we should try to provide an accentless pronunciation. It's not fair (and very confusing) to cater to an accent. Especially confusing when the accent is not the same one used by most (all?) of the sources we're supposedly basing it off of.Schwarzorn (talk) 00:36, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Round Eared humans having less magic

When is that ever stated, or implied in the series. Proportionately they're appear to be the same amount of humans who can, and can't use magic as Hylians. Infact,, aside from finding a Zelda as in Wind Waker, or finding Link like people in Tri Force heroes, any difference between round eared people, and Hylians is never brought up. All round ears really seems to indicate is an origin outside of Hyrule. Delsait (talk) 21:24, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Pig Warrior is the localized term for Pig Moblins in Link's Awakening

"PIG WARRIORS These fierce porkers are related to Moblins. Be prepared for them with Shield and Sword. A spinning attack will knock them out." That is from the Nintendo Power guide to Link's Awakening. That Karuna from the manga adaptation of Link's Awakening refers to himself as one, shows he is indeed a moblin. Delsait (talk) 10:36, 10 December 2016 (UTC)