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Edit summaries

Howdy, Ixbran! I just wanted to address this edit you made recently, because your edit summary was rather confrontational. Here at Zelda Wiki, we prefer for users to work out disagreements amongst themselves without involving everyone else. In the future, if you don't agree with what someone is doing, please try to be more professional when you bring this up. Don't "call someone out" in the edit summary; rather, make your edit and state your brief reasoning in a polite manner in the edit summary, and then contact the user directly on his or her talk page to elaborate on why you made the edit. Again, we don't tolerate confrontational behavior, and we like to prevent fighting before it starts. You are expected to treat all fellow editors with respect, regardless of what they are doing. Please keep this in mind as you edit the wiki.User:Justin/sig 10:22, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

I just find it irritating when people go around deleting and changing things simply because they want things their way. When I posted those videos i was only trying to help, and when I was told videos 'weren't allowed' on character galleries, i let it go. However when i noticed a video was posted in Zant's gallery, i figured perhaps they were wrong. So I put them back on the pretense that since videos were allowed in zants gallery, they could go in others. Then not only did they go and remove the videos from the other pages, but also from zants gallery, despite it being there for who knows how long. And even then, they never provided a proper explanation as to WHY it isn't allowed. They simply said it wasn't allowed, and went into no further details. Maybe I wouldn't have to resort to calling them names, if they just explained the situation too me. I can't stand control freaks like that, who think they can go in and change things and boss people around just because they hold some form of seniority over others. That is is both a form of power abuse and bullying, something I can not, and will not, stand for. If I see someone acting like a bully or an ass hole, I WILL call them out on it!
Ixbran (talk) 11:30, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Please keep discussions on the same page as it says right above the edit field surrounded by a bright, yellow notice.
Keep in mind our editing etiquette when acting on the wiki, particularly the section about assuming good faith. The proper action in the first place would have been to ask about why there was this inconsistency instead of assuming that you could roll with it, so to speak. You also assumed that Chuck was acting as a bully, so you decided to take a more hostile response. This behavior is not acceptable and I would ask you to please refrain from doing so and instead opt for a more mild manner. Hostility will get you nowhere, at least nowhere worth being.
I for one feel that we shouldn't have videos on character gallery pages. They're largely irrelevant in my opinion. - TonyT S C 12:45, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Well considering that Hyrule Warriors isnt the typical Zelda style game, its obvious the standard edit procedure wouldn't apply too it. Koei is known for releasing game play videos for their newest games, and its likely more are going to show up, link is obviously going to get two more since its confirmed from the E3 demo hes going to have at least four move sets. And Aonuma has even gone on record saying that there were somewhere around 52 playstyles. So I figured getting the videos posted on the respective character page galleries would be better than having 52+ videos on the games main page.

Regarding the assuming good faith stuff, i'm sorry but its kind of hard for me to do that given my life's experiences. Dealing with bullies my entire life, its hard for me to assume anyone is a good person unless they show it to me. My first reaction towards people who do things without an explanation is bullying, sorry hun just how i grew up, i'm not going to change my way of thinking over night just for it to be convenient for you. I will try, but considering I've delt with bullying and elitism within the Zelda fan base before, don't expect me to be anything but on edge while working here.

I'm only here to provide help regarding Hyrule Warriors, and once all the necessary pages are made and the info posted, I wont be here much anymore. The Zelda fan base is, based on my own personal experience, worse than the Final Fantasy fan base and anime fan base's in general. It's sad since Zelda is what got me into gaming, but really I want nothing to do with any of you. I'm just here to help with Hyrule Warriors, and that's that. I'm familiar with Koei's Warriors titles, and am most active on the Koei Wiki, So I'm just here to make sure y'all don't just ignore this title like most Zelda Elitists are trying to do.
Ixbran (talk) 20:56, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
I'll be frank and say that I'm generally against using videos on the wiki because it lags my computer, so 52 videos divided among the character galleries sounds like a nightmare. The gallery pages are already data-heavy by featuring so many images, so videos only serve to increase that work load. What I feel would be a better (more effective) alternative is to describe these play styles on the relevant character pages and then simply cite the video as a reference so that people can still find it without it being taxing. In truth, I believe that this will supersede the presence of videos on the gallery pages regardless.
I'm very sorry for your life experiences and I can definitely understand where you're coming from with it, but speaking from experience I find that being able to respond to things rationally and in a collected manner is an amazing ability to learn. Doing so wouldn't only benefit those around you, but yourself as well.
I'd also like to assert that we're a wiki for all things Zelda. Hyrule Warriors isn't remotely in jeopardy because of a few elitists and it certainly wouldn't be ignored. In any case, no fandom is perfect so there's bound to be undesirable attitudes throughout it. We're grateful that you're here to help, but please do not fall prey to the illusion that we're here to bully anyone or act as elitists. - TonyT S C 22:22, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Well considering character videos is something Koei does for their games, I figured y'all might want them. Since I'm sure most here arent used too the idea of a Zelda action game. As for move set descriptions, those are best to wait till the game is out. though question, what are your intents on character move sets descriptions and button inputs? Will you be making separate Pages for the Hylian Sword, Magic Rod, Rapier, and Giant Blade specifically for their Hyrule Warriors appearances? I figure that might best since it wouldn't take up space on character pages. Not to mention there is going to be weapon synthesizing and using rupees to enhance weapons stats according to what we've been told. And with characters confirmed to have multiple move sets, that means some characters will have multiple move set related pages for this game

And you'd be surprised, some times i have found certain wikis not gathering info on certain games in a franchise simply because the majority of editors simply don't care for the title in question. I came here with the intention, and honestly the expectation, of being the only one working on the Hyrule warriors page simply because, based on the hate from zelda elitists, the page was going to be left abandoned with hardly any info. That combined with the fact that Dynasty Warriors tends to get a lot of hate from most gamers, I came into this wiki expecting hate and abuse from everyone. Hence my reactions too the one guy deleting the videos, it's what I was expecting to happen.

Again I will try to trust the judgement of the contributors on this wiki, but it is going to be very difficult.
Ixbran (talk) 02:53, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Citing claims

Hey, Ixbran. Fellow editors have been concerned that you've been making a lot of edits with unsourced claims. While they're likely true, could you please start citing these? It makes Zelda Wiki look more professional and adds to our credibility, in addition to dispelling any suspicions towards the information.
For example, you report that the Wind Waker is known as the "Tactitioner's Baton", but I myself am highly skeptical towards this and I think it might be a mistranslation (at most, I've found it referred to as "Takuto", which is just "baton"). Could you link me to exactly where you found that information so I may confirm it? - TonyT S C 22:14, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

A fellow wiki contributor from the Koei Wiki, who is fluent in japanese, claims the weapon is simply called the Tact. However, as you said, others are stating its just Baton. Hes a friend of mine, and because of how fluent he is in japanese (hes helped the koei wiki by providing info on japanese only games that we would otherwise be unable to provide), I feel his words are worth trusting. but at the same time, hes been known to simplify translations to keep info on the koei wiki simple and to the point. I figure that beacuse of this, its possible the weapon is called the Tacticians Baton, since hes known for simplifying translations, he went with the shortest name for the Koei Wiki, while Other sites are likely using Baton since its easier to asiciate the word with the wind waker. I also figured that it would be a good middle ground to go with so people wont get confused when some sites call it baton, while others might go the simpler rout like my friend, and call it the tact. Though I consider it a place holder, since once her english trailer for that weapon is out, were most likely gonna change it to that regardless of its japanese name. Im sorry if Ive caused any problems.
Ixbran (talk) 00:42, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Well the problem with "Tact" is that "Takuto" is the Japanese word for baton, not anything related to tactitians (iirc it comes from a German loan word, but don't quote me on that). The Wind Waker itself is called "Kaze no Takuto, or the "baton of wind". Since everything seems to be pointing to it still being named the Wind Waker, I'm going to change the instances of "Tactitian's Baton" to the proper name. - TonyT S C 00:55, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
alright hun, again sorry if i caused any problems.
Ixbran (talk) 04:11, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

HW Images

Thanks for all your work with those!KrytenKoro (talk) 16:48, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. They are actually a lot of fun to make. though waiting in the games gallery mode for them to make a decent pose to render is somewhat time consuming. Oh god like, Impas TP recolor costume took me almost 20 minutes to catch, BOTH of Agitha's recolor costumes took possibly an hours worth of time combined. you got to wait for the right animation to happen, which plays randomly. And you need to recognize the animations early parts so you'll know when to press the home button so you can pause the game and take a screen shot. Trust me, this is a rough labor of love some times, lol.
Ixbran (talk) 02:29, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm a bit late to the party but I also gotta say awesome work on all those HW outfit images! The transparency is on spot and I can only imagine how long it must take to do all that image work... So thanks again for helping out, and keep up the great work! Happy editing! :) --Dany36 (talk) 02:17, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much, I appreciate it. I use basic tools, the Rectangular Marquee Tool and the Polygon Laso Tool. A lot of them have very sharp edges, like the tips of Cia's staff, so the RMT is needed to keep those straight sharp lines. while the PLT is good for smoothed edges like clothing or hair. It's a simple, yet effective/time-consuming, way of doing it. but knowing that my work is appreciated, that makes the process worth it.
Ixbran (talk) 03:17, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Do you think it would be possible to get the Dark and Wizzro costumes for the characters, or would that not be possible until the models can be ripped directly? Also, can you get the remaining Cia costumes, and Link's Goron and Zora Tunics?KrytenKoro (talk) 17:13, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
I am planning on doing the goron and zora tunics, Ive unlocked the Zora tunic, but the goron one is taking time since I need to unlock all the Gold Skulltula Puzzles in order to get it. As for the the Dark and Wizzro disguises, I cant view those in the games gallery mode. Those would have to be taken from screen shots during battle. As for Cia's hats, eh, I could try, I wasn't planning on it. I made those renders mainly for the Koei wiki, then cross posted them here after uploading them there. The Admin of the Koei wiki is very strict when it comes to character renders, and normally re-color costumes are flat out deleted since its just a re-color of a pre-existing outfit. However since they are DLC, that gives them an automatic pass. Cia's hat/mask/hatless versions of the outfits are still the same outfit, so they'd just be deleted, so I never bothered to make them. But, if I have some free time after i get the goron and zora tunic done, ill see if i can get decent renders of them up on this wiki. Though they will likely just be the same renders I currently have of them, with the hat and masks variations. I'm not going to diversify them since it would be rather pointless.
Ixbran (talk) 01:24, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
And done, go here and here. Hope these are up to wiki standards.
Ixbran (talk) 09:52, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Any chance you could improve the Trainee Tunic, too?KrytenKoro (talk) 15:23, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
It doesn't look like it's scanning very well, could you do it from the in-game gallery?KrytenKoro (talk) 19:56, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Personally I'd rather go with an official render rather than make one from the gallery. There is only so much I can do for render pose veriety with the weapons he has. I'd rather we stick with links Trainee render, and try to find a higher quality scan of it.
Ixbran (talk) 22:38, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
If I may add my thoughts, I personally prefer the gallery image as it's much higher quality. An official render would be great of course, but if a good quality shot of it just isn't possible, then I'd rather have an image of it that is more higher quality than what the current revision has now. -The Goron Moron (talk) 04:41, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Images for Deletion

Hey, when tagging an image you wish to delete, please try to use the imdel template instead of the delete one. This way you can specify the reason why the image should be deleted, specially when deleting an image that has been superseded. Chuck (talk) 05:15, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Maybe it might be easier if you didn't move images either, Ixbran, seeing as only admins can move images without leaving redirects. We outta make a move w/o redirect request template or something. I should get someone on that. Until then, please leave messages in the edit summaries saying that the image needs to be renamed and to what name so I or someone else can move them without creating extra work (deleting unused redirects), and so we can edit any pages easily if any of them link to the old name. User:WilliamLC/sig 04:59, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Alrighty. I managed to get all the recolor costumes for Hyrule Warriors up, and after learning you wanted to have specific names for the files, I figured while uploading the new ones with the proper names, I would move the older ones I uploaded. I figured since I'd have to go to the respective characters galleries, I would move the other files as well. I thought it would make things easier for you guys, I apologize if what I did was any form of inconvenience.
Ixbran (talk) 05:17, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

HW MQ Recolor Impa

It's not brown. It's the same shade of maroon as the recolor, and she even has pink hair to lead into the pink hair ornaments.KrytenKoro (talk) 01:37, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I am going to say this in the most polite way possible: You're wrong.
Look at these images side by side, and tell me, whic does it look most like
If you can look at these images side by side, and still tell me that the recolor is still an ALBW recolor, I am going to politely say you need your eyes checked. Or at the very least check the color settings on your computer screen.
Ixbran (talk) 01:46, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Ixbran, there is no need to respond that way. Tone it down please. Now to add my insight - it's just Impa in red. It's nothing more than that. Yes the costume does bear resemblance to OoX and ALBW Impa, and maybe Koei Tecmo did have that in mind, but seeing as HW Impa barely resembles either one, then it's all just subjective. The recolor is neither OoX Impa or ALBW Impa, it is a Master Quest Standard Outfit, and what is what it should ultimately be called on this wiki. - Midoro (T C) 02:04, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Ditto for what Goron Moron said. I've always said that we should avoid subjective things like this, and this constant series of arguments just proves that no consensus can be reached. - TonyT S C 02:34, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
For the sake of my own personal sanity, I made this image to help with the issue. By loading the following images into photoshop, and using the squeegee tool, I was able to get the hex code for the base colors of each art work. From there I put the color hex codes into this website, which is designed to identify color names by hex codes. We clearly see that the Orcale series color costume is a series of crimsons, opal/turquoise, and light orchid grey.

the HW recolor is a series of reds and aquamarines, yellows, olives, and citrines.

the ALBW colors are nothing compared to this. Oranges, scarlets, the cap and over-the-shoulder-sash are actually arctic blue, not a shade of green at all. and again i bring up the fact that the ALBW impa has magenta hair with gamboge ringlets, while the HW impa recolor features yellowish grey hair and citrine hair bands.

I'm all for saying the recolor represents nothing, over it representing ALBW. Because the colors between the recolor and the ALBW design don't match up, not even on a Hex Code scale.
Ixbran (talk) 02:59, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
For what it's worth, there's nothing preventing it from being a design based on all of Oracle, ALBW, and Skyward Sword old Impa. They clearly all share design elements, just as you couldn't really nail down "which" Link the HW design is based on, and the Master Quest outfit is clearly derived from that pool of designs. As far as ALBW goes, the actual in-game model is much redder, and it's plain that it's derived from the Oracle design. The reason I leaned towards ALBW in my draft is because the ALBW design is closer to the young warrior/old crone dynamic that Impa has throughout most of the series, including HW's version which is clearly based on the Skyward Sword Impa, in both form and personality.
Given the differences in graphical capabilities throughout the games, I really don't see the point in quibbling over exact color codes, and instead prefer to focus on general aesthetic. If that's not satisfactory, Koei Tecmo has a twitter I believe, and that would be much more productive than getting into edit wars every time someone disagrees with you over which specific version of a character was used as a basis for the costume.KrytenKoro (talk) 03:10, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm siding with the admin's on this. I agree with them that its best to say the costume doesn't reference anything at all, rather than have it reference something it clearly doesn't. Even taking the color hex codes out of the equation, they simply don't match up when put side by side. There is nothing that you can say to make me believe Impa's red recolor in HW is meant to reference her brown/orange dress from ALBW. Again, please, check the color settings on your computer screen, it will help, A Lot.
Ixbran (talk) 03:19, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
The wiki staff believes that it is better not to make calls on what costume is based on what. For costumes like Darunia's and Ruto's costumes from MQ DLC pack, it's probably fine to call those as being based on Darmani and Lulu, because those are extremely obvious as to what they're meant to represent. But Impa here really does not represent either OoX or ALBW Impa. The most similarity there is that costume also wears red. But unlike Darunia and Ruto where he has a gray body with a scar and where she has a purple dress, respectively, Impa here looks identical to HW Impa with the exception of wearing red clothing. And that is really not enough to make accurate assumptions of what that costume is specifically based on. Especially because this one issue has generated a lot of needless quibbling, it is better to just call it "Master Quest Standard Outfit" and nothing more, and it would save the wiki from further quibbling and edit warring. - Midoro (T C) 03:21, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
I have no desire to edit the link from your current version, but dude, seriously, this is the appropriate shade of red. You can stop implying I'm some kind of lunatic, her ALBW outfit is plainly descended from the OoX outfit, as is the old Impa from SS. It's an enduring design, as with Zelda and her pink dress or Link and his green outfit.KrytenKoro (talk) 14:44, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
OH your so right, how could i NOT see it. The Vermillion of ALBW Impa's character render is SO MUCH CLOSER to the Red of the recolor, than the Crimson of the Oracle's Impa Art Work. Oh WOE is Me, I have Been Defeated by your color expertise *falls onto a fainting couch as i can not stand in awe of your expertise in colors*

But again, in all seriousness, nothing you say can convince me that the recolor is meant to reference ALBW because, as I can show you right in the image provided, the primary colors of the outfit and hair simply do not match up. Yes there are more similarities in the hat and over the shoulder shawl in the render, than in the art work. But the rest of it just doesn't match up at all.
Ixbran (talk) 15:39, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
(edited to remove tone) I'm not saying you're being silly for thinking the costume is closer to Oracle than ALBW -- I've stated multiple times that all three costumes clearly show a pervasive design aesthetic, and it's a huge waste of time to be quibbling over exact shades. All I did was ask you to stop acting like I'm a lunatic for claiming the ALBW robes are red.KrytenKoro (talk) 17:00, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Hyrule Warriors

Unless you have a screenshot where it shows the icon, this is the same thing you did with Tingle and it caused a big edit war with other users. Can you provide an image of the icon?KrytenKoro (talk) 03:05, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Do you simply not read the comments people leave in a pages revision history? Like, at all?

"Elements provided from game play videos of JP version, which is already out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWqWPtPD7aQ + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mteI7vfsdqU"

Learn to read the comments people put when editing pages, so we can avoid situations like this in the future.
Ixbran (talk) 04:05, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I do. I asked for a screenshot because you didn't even provide a timestamp, and I don't have access to youtube from this computer. It's a hassle for me to have to glean through the video to try to find what you're implying is there.
But, taking the time to pull up the videos on another computer: those don't even show the icon. The one thing we needed isn't in the video like you implied.
Dude, you've caused multiple edit wars (and not just with me) by making claims about stuff like this or the costume basises without providing adequate sources. Instead of getting snippy, please just provide the sources. Since the videos you've cited fail to give the icon or weapon name, I'm gonna remove those from the Hyrule Warriors article.KrytenKoro (talk) 23:32, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Nevermind, I'm not removing the info because I remembered I had said I'd leave it to the staff to decide. I still would strongly recommend you give more heed to sourcing things, so that the wiki doesn't end up hosting false information.KrytenKoro (talk) 23:42, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Dude, their elements appear when they activate their Spirit Focus and Spirit Focus Finisher. The cucco is surrounded in a golden light, and ganon is surrounded by a dark purple aura, just like characters who use light and dark elemental weapons. Did you not actually watch the videos?

Seriously, you need stop, because with everything you've been doing, it feels like you're looking reasons to harass me. You need to stop, or I'm going to report you, because this is really starting to freak me out. It's like every little thing I do, you just come at me for absolutely no reason. I want to think that its not your intent, but really, you need to re-work how you approach people. Everything I've done has been done within the rules and regulations of the wiki.

Again, if you do not stop, I will report you, because the last thing I need is someone seemingly stalking me and my edits.
Ixbran (talk) 00:33, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

(1) I'm not trying to attack you, in fact you're the one who likes to be unacceptably rude to me. (2) In the politest possible terms, no, you are not following all the wiki's regulations, something you've been notified of before, which is why you inserted false information regarding the names of Ganon and the Cucco's weapons, as well as Tingle's elements, that started edit wars. At least one of those, in fact, where I tried to defend your version of the edits, and was shown that you had not done your due diligence. (3) You're treating a polite request for the basic standard of evidence required by this wiki as an attack on your person, and accusing me of lying, harassing you, and stalking you. Can you seriously not see how unreasonably defensive that is? The reason I'm editing the same pages as you is because I'm playing the same recently-released Zelda game as you, not because I'm stalking you. (4) Yes, I understand it shows their focus spirit. If I'm not mistaken, that's the same argument you used for Tingle, so it's as poor evidence now as it was then. It is not mission-critical to have the elements or weapon names up before we can verify them, so there is no harm in simply waiting if we cannot procure reliable evidence.
If what I've said above, attempting to ensure that the policies are followed and trying to prove that I bear you no ill will, offends you, then please go ahead and notify an admin. As my edits have made clear, I have no wish to start an edit war with you, and am attempting to maintain a constructive discussion. If you are unwilling to participate in that with me then I would very much prefer staff acted as a mediator, yes.KrytenKoro (talk) 02:16, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

When i posted the element for Tingle, people provided pictur based evidence that showed his attacks generating light blue elemental attack effects, usually associated by water. So it seemed obvious, but when it was revealed it was fire, as shown by his focus spirit in the trailer, I was actually going to change it my self but someone already had. I wasn't aware there had been an edit war regarding his element, so don't sit there and act like i did it on purpose.

And for the record, these 'arguments' weve been having, are all your fault. your the one always approaching me, accusing me of being incorrect or wrong, or going in and changing my edits without consulting me or any of the admins. You come off as a jerk who feels like he can go in and change things how ever you want simply if you don't agree with it. And this trying to come off as the 'bigger guy' by trying to push the blame on me makes you come off as REALLY passive aggressive and manipulative.

Your behavior is exactly like my moms, acting all high and mighty and acting like your always in the right, even when your not. And then the second someone calls you out on your BS, you suddenly play the victim and all of a sudden everyone is out to get you. I deal with this kind of manipulative BS on a daily basis, so don't think you can just sit there and expect me to fall for every little trick in the book.

And yes, I would much prefer it if an admin came in and delt with this, maybe then I can stop worrying about you bothering me so I can get some work done.
Ixbran (talk) 02:32, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm not saying you caused the edit war on purpose, I'm saying that by editing before waiting for proper evidence, your actions led to an edit war, full stop. That's really not a controversial claim -- you posted a claim that turned out to be false, and an edit war happened over it. I'm not trying to criticize you, I'm trying to point out the consequences of not following the guidelines. Full disclosure -- I've had the same thing happen to me, and on this wiki, years ago. I learned the lesson of waiting for evidence. I'm not saying (and I never have) "you're a bad person", I'm saying "this is why we have these rules".
As far as "going in and changing your edits", (1) that's what wikis do, (2) dude, you went into my sandbox and started a fight about the Impa costume. My sandbox. I responded, politely, stating why I disagreed about the basis for the costume, and you proceeded to quite rudely mock me, as seen above. And even then, I've left the actual costumes page with the version you wanted -- I've not edit warred with you about it. Same thing with the elements -- I've stated my disagreement, and tried to constructively discuss why there's a problem with the edit, but I have not fought with you over the edit. Contrast that with your behavior on the Costumes page, where I cited disagreement with putting the maps up, and you replaced them and said I had to deal with it.
Dude, in this section alone you've called me a jerk, liar, harasser, stalker, manipulative, "high and mighty", "acting like I'm always right", fake victim, and passive aggressive. I've not criticized your behavior in any way except to call it "unreasonably defensive", and I've actually complimented you on your edits in the past, for chrissakes, and like I said, I defended your Tingle element edit at the time, because I had faith in you. You can see that, right? Please have some introspection on what you've said above, because I am not trying to start a fight, I'm trying to edit the wiki. Can we please just agree to be polite to each other and get back to the topic of the article?KrytenKoro (talk) 17:08, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Please stop, both of you.
An edit war happened, and all parties involved are responsible for it. There is no discussing or debating that. Please drop the subject. Ixbran, please also stop speaking to Kryten inappropriately. The next time either of you want to make a contribution to the wiki, please properly cite it or leave a source in the edit summary. Do not undo edits merely because you disagree with them or cannot understand the source.
You are both responsible. End of discussion. - Midoro (T C) 21:06, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Costume maps

To try to reach a compromise -- is there any way you could use the head sprite used by the game to indicate costumes? I understand the desire to represent the locations graphically, but as I said earlier it's very nearly impossible to decipher the images because they are essentially dark near-stick-figures on a dark blue background.KrytenKoro (talk) 23:38, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

I'll adjust the costume maps to focus on the characters faces then, it may take some time since I'm already working on something for the wiki. I should, hopefully, be done by later today. And I can get started on re-adjusting the map costume images.
Ixbran (talk) 00:35, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
No, I don't mean the head images, those are still gonna be over-detailed for the size we're displaying them at, in my opinion. I think the sprites the game itself uses (with the t-shirt and the character's head) are gonna be the most legible. Do you have access to those sprites?KrytenKoro (talk) 02:17, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Hhmmm, those I could do, ill see about trying that.
Ixbran (talk) 04:29, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Code of Conduct

Hi Ixbran,

This is to let you know that your posts on this talk page are in violation of Zelda Wiki's Code of Conduct on Civility. There's no call to resort to such inflammatory language here. Please stop. If you are unable to argue your point of view civilly and constructively, then please drop the matter.

We're glad you chose to help out with Zelda Wiki's projects and I'm sure you just want what's best for the wiki. But try to understand that we can't allow this kind of behavior because it negatively affects other users' involvement in the wiki. — Hylian King [*] 13:13, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Edit Warring

This is just a reminder. Please do not engage in edit or revert warring, as these are very counterproductive and clogs up the wiki history. I know you said that the silhouetted woman has the same hair style and has eyes resembling the glasses lens, and while I actually do agree with you that I think it is likely that person is the Witch, it is still too early to make that call. We'd rather be more cautious than that.

I also said that it is better, and preferable, to upload as a new file. There was no need at all to revert it, as we can have both images on-wiki. - Midoro (T C) 02:27, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Multiple edits

Hello! I noticed you've been making a lot of edits to the same page over a short time. Doing this clutters the Recent Changes and the page histories, and makes patrolling more difficult for the Zelda Wiki staff. So instead of saving a lot, use the "show preview" button next to the "save page" button. It'll allow you to view your edit for any mistakes so you don't have to make a lot of fixing edits or additional ones! :)

Also, if you could please check your editing for spelling and grammar errors, that would also be appreciated. - Midoro (T C) 17:24, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Wikia linking

I'm sorry to say that we simply don't link to Wikia. Being a part of NIWA, we are constitutionally against the idea of Wikia. That's the truth of it. How other NIWA wikis handle this is their issue, but it is not our job to inform readers of anything other than topics pertinent to the Zelda series. We can link to other sites, but we won't link to other wikis in our primary articles unless they're independent from Wikia. - TonyT S C 09:53, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Willingly withholding information simply due to being 'against' other websites is petty and stupid. By refusing to link to Wikia sites, due to this mentality, you are purposefully keeping people from being able to properly and thoroughly research info regarding a subject matter, which is the exact opposite of what a wiki is supposed to do. It is the job of those who work on a Wiki/Wikia to provide as much info as possible, while linking to other websites that can do the same thing but more thuroughly if the subject matter is not the main focus of another Wiki/Wikia. Refusing to Link to a website, just because its a Wikia, is completely asinine.

You people continue to do that. However if my source of an image or info is from a wikia, I'm going to link too it as my source. Either in a summary of editing a page, or when providing a link to said source when uploading an image. Case-in-point, all of the recolor costumes from Hyrule Warriors that I rendered and uploaded to this wiki, many of their image sources came from the Koei Wiki, as that is the site I uploaded them too first. You people may be comfortable withholding information sources, however I am not; and I will not. That is my stance on the subject matter, and nothing you say will change my mind.
Ixbran (talk) 13:14, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

File name conventions

Hey again.

Just to let you know, we have a set standard for naming our image files on the wiki. For character artwork, it is always game abbreviation first, character name, and type of image (in this case, artwork). "HWL Linkle Artwork.png" is the correct and intended file name. Please do not rename the files to anything other than this standard, because we developed this standard to easily and quickly retrieve files. - Midoro (T C) 17:18, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

pssst...

You, uh, might want to stop questioning staffy peepz. I might be overreacting but it feels kind of like thin ice underneath your feet. Peanutjon (talk) 06:16, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

I hate to say I told you so, but... Peanutjon (talk) 07:38, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Let's not be antagonistic. We're all working together for the purpose of making ZW better, though we may have differing views over it. - TonyT S C 15:33, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
I didn't mean to be antagonistic, I was just giving him a friendly suggestion so that there's less focus on "great, it's this guy again" and more focus on, y'know, making ZW better. Peanutjon (talk) 02:25, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Undoing edits

If you have an issue with a particular edit, it would be preferable and recommended if you brought it up on the article's talk page so it can be discussed, rather than immediately undoing it. Doing this just creates issues that could be prevented. I'm going to ask again, to please try to respect the ZW staff's decisions made in editing. The edits we make are made in good judgment, and what we feel is best for our wiki. - Midoro (T C) 06:50, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Can you help finding this image?

Hey there. I was hoping you can help me with something?

I remembered that a long time ago, you made a comment about a some new artwork (here) you found on Tumblr. The image is believed to actually come from an unofficial Japanese game guide. At the time I thought it would be a great addition to the wiki (since we host images from unofficial game guides anyway), but no one acted on it at the time. Unfortunately, the link to the Tumblr post appears to be dead. Do you happen to have the image saved on your computer that you could upload? As far as I recall, it had a very anime-esque Link.

Thanks! - Midoro (T C) 05:11, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

wow that was way back in july, sorry man I didnt save the image. I just thought leaving the Link there would be fine. However with tumblr constantly updating its site, I'm guessing the URLs for some of the images have changed from what they were before. Sorry but I can't even remember what the picture looked like in order to find it again.
Ixbran (talk) 05:40, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
Alright, well thanks. - Midoro (T C) 06:10, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
Hold on, I think I may have found it, plus another one. Do these look familiar? The one with Zelda definitely looks familiar to me. Either way, I'm going to upload these. - Midoro (T C) 06:15, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
this one does I think, either way I'm sorry for not having uploaded the image my welf when I first saw it. Really wish I had, thought I was just nervous and not wanting to act out of line, as I wasn't yet comfortable with with doing much at the time. I need to get used to working on a specific wiki before i feel comfortable enough to act on something without asking.
Ixbran (talk) 13:57, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
Really, it's fine. We were also unsure at the time. I literally only just remembered it. =P - Midoro (T C) 17:38, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
HWL Ganondorf Thief's Trident Artwork.png

OH MY GOD CAN I EVEN?! *excitment*
Ixbran (talk) 18:10, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind, but I removed the caption for that image, given it was kind of inappropriate. We don't really have any written standards on it, but we have a general agreement to keep things appropriate for all ages, even innuendos on talk pages. - TonyT S C 20:25, 18 November 2015 (UTC)


Party Pooper *doops* but I understand, I was just really excited, and sleep drunk, went straight to bed after tying that. But still, SO MUCH EXCITEMENT! Glad to see Ganondorf getting his Trident.
Ixbran (talk) 01:19, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Checking Source

A while ago you uploaded some new images for our HW Portraits, and didn't change the source to match the new image. (ie. Great Fairy Portrait). I assume that these images also came from The Spriters Resource, but wanted to double check with you before adding the source. Would this be correct? --- Pixel TC 23:14, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Oh yes my bed, indeed that came from spriters resource. My bad for not changing it.
Ixbran (talk) 05:40, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
It's fine, I just wanted to check before updating. This type of thing happens frequently enough, sadly. XD But it is a good thing to always check for in the future. :3 --- Pixel TC 18:34, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

On file names

All file names on the wiki are subject to a specific naming convention, one that which we have developed as a staff effort and made public in the help topics. The naming conventions we use here on Zelda Wiki are specific and created in such a way to make image retrievial and bot maintenance easier. It's fine when someone uploads a new file without the proper name convention - mistakes do happen, but it becomes a problem when editors purposely attempt to rename a file because they do not agree with its naming convention. You have already been told about this before and been asked to stop. I didn't mention this before the last time, but hyphens are not to be added to the file name. This is not part of our file naming convention.

This is in response to the revert edit done on the Costumes page. The file names were already in the proper naming conventions before. That edit was since reverted by bot Yuga, which is why the edit does not show up on the Recent Changes page. Do not revert this edit. Please also do not move files to make a point over what name you think is proper, because that just creates more work for the rest of us. Instead of immediately resorting to reverting edits or moving files, please voice your concerns over talk pages before taking action.

Lastly, I do want to apologize for not directing you to the help topics in the last warning. Hopefully the link there should make things more clear. - Midoro (T C) 00:49, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

My biggest issue is the fact that 'bot' is Lazy to the point of only naming specific files instead of all of them. If the file names are such a big deal then why aren't they all fixed right now, instead of just those 2? That is the thing that really irritates me. Another thing that bothers me is the fact the images had the files changed. I had specifically designed all of the Termina Map Mask Costumes follow a theme of the heart chest sequence to show off all the masks as it gives a clear view of the persons face while doing so. The rest of the outfit doesn't matter as its simply their defaults with a mask on them. Those two files not matching the theme I had set up is really fucking with my OCD. May we at least get those images set back to the chest opening pictures to follow the theme of the other images?
Ixbran (talk) 01:05, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Regarding your concern on the immediacy of the action, doing this takes time. A lot of time. So much time that it requires sessions of sitting down and dedicating a whole day to it. I know this, because I've done it before.
The work is planned, but it's easier said than done to relocate and replace the file links, even with the staff tools that Yuga has available. There just happens to be a rather large backlog of things needed to be done on the staff side, so your patience is required.
And on the content of the images themselves, these shots are:
  1. Better than the chest sequence cutscenes. Resolution size is contentious, but many of the images, such as this one, cut out the subject. Model shots should, preferably, contain as much of the actual model as possible.
  2. Actually more consistent with the actual artwork released and the majority of the models.
"OCD" isn't a legitimate reason to keep this lesser set of images, so I say they should be replaced with a different set showing off the actual costume, even if all that changes is the face/head. - TonyT S C 01:17, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
You have a point. Sorry, I tend to just get personally attached to my contributions on the wikis I edit, and as a result, when people make changes to things i've done specifically for the wiki it just sets off alarms in my mind. I need to stop letting this happen. Regarding the mask Models, I'll get in contact with the friend of mine i told you before, the one whos making the custom model poses for the costumes for the wiki, and see if they will do anything regarding the mask costumes from the termina map.
Ixbran (talk) 02:07, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Alright, thank you.
If you have concerns (or questions) over the naming conventions, we can definitely work with you. It's something of a new thing for the staff as well, so anything that can be done to cement it and make it clearly established is welcome. - TonyT S C 08:12, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Elemental weaknesses?

Hey. I wanted to ask if you had any insight in this. I'm of belief that the Elements in HW have specific weaknesses and resistances to each other, based on observations I've made in the game. I've found that, for example, enemy Warriors who use Darkness Element weapons tend to be weak to Light weapons. I've noticed similar occurrences with Water versus Fire. Likewise I've found that Elements may also be resistant to themselves, such as Link resisting Agitha's Parasol weapon and taking less damage. There's no explicit indication of this in the game, but my observations have all been fairly consistent from what I've noticed while playing. I was hoping to expand the Elemental Effects page to include this information, but I wanted to be absolutely certain. Do you think this also matches up with the game? I'm not sure if other Warriors games have this kind of system in place - from what I can see, they have elemental effects at least. - Midoro (T C) 15:52, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, certain characters/enemy types are weak/resistant against specific elements. Undead/Dark elemental enemies resist the Dark Element, so Poes and Redeads are tolerant too it, so people with dark elemental weapons would benefit from the VS Undead weapon Skill. The Fos Enemy Types, Volga, King dodongo, and argorok tolerate fire, however are weak to water. The basic elemental weakness circle is Water -> Fire - Electric - Water, a Rock-Paper-Scissors effect. where as Light and Darkness are effective against each other.

there are exceptions in terms of player characters however, such as Ganondorf being innately Darkness elemental, but is immune to both Darkness and Electric. Lana has a tolerance to Darkness, however shes weak against electric despite her tomes being electric. Young Links main weapon element is darkness, so he tolerates it, but also resists light element. So basic elemental resistance is there tied to weaponry, however other specific characters have additional elemental resistances/weaknesses based off the lore of said character/species.
Ixbran (talk) 21:24, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. I was wondering if there was a rock-paper-scissors relationship with Water-Fire-Lightning. I just wasn't sure because at times Lightning didn't seem weak to Fire. This helps.
And characters having multiple weaknesses/resistances certainly does throw a wrench into things. I really appreciate pointing that out though, as it helps to explain some of the inconsistencies I've face. We might benefit more from creating a chart detailing the weaknesses/resistances of each character as opposed to just of the Elements. This however will still need a lot of testing and verifying, but it's a start. If you know more or have any other way of helping, that would be immensely appreciated. - Midoro (T C) 22:48, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Multiple edits 2

You've been making a string of edits to the costumes page. You've already been told about this before. Please be sure to preview your edits before saving or try to make frequent edits to a minimum so it won't clutter up the Recent Changes and page history. - Midoro (T C) 17:17, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

I add each costume to the page one section at a time. I don't go in, edit the whole page and do one section each. I do it a section at a time because all that coding confuses me, and keeping it isolated to just that one section each keeps me from being over whelmed with coding. I'm sorry that my comfort comes at an inconvenience to you.
Ixbran (talk) 20:41, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
Also, your welcome. so nice to know my hard work is appreciated.
Ixbran (talk) 21:15, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
If you're having trouble finding a section in a page in the editor, you can use your browser's word search function to immediately go to that section. Like typing ===[[Cia]]=== for example. Honestly, the multiple consequent edits are an inconvenience for us, because we have to patrol each individual edit you make and ensure they are on-par with our wiki quality. That means the more individual edits there are, the more work there is. I understand that the page is quite massive and confusing, but do try to keep that in mind too. The browser's word search should be able to help alleviate that confusion.
Your attitude is also unnecessary. I ask you to please stop that. - Midoro (T C) 21:20, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
I just find it very rude that you would much rather criticize me for my mistakes before thanking me for the hard work. If you have an issue with something someone is doing, you ease it into the conversation after something else. you know like "you did a very good job with the new pictures, we really appreciate it. though I would like to mention a minor problem with waht you did...". Just jumping straight into the 'you did a bad' without even bothering to acknowledge the work I put into the page makes it feel like you dont appreciate the work I did. If you don't want people getting upset at you, and getting defensive, don't start a conversation with an accusation. Because when you do your setting your self up for dealing with someone else's attitude.

Also I prefer to do things by section, rather then just the whole page in one edit, because I know little about coding. Manipulating the tables to remove the "Master wind Waker" squares from character tables that didnt have costumes was infuriating, and I do it section by section to make sure I'm not fucking up. It gives me time to experiment and make changes to one minor section without it effecting the whole page. If I fuck up just one table with the code, it enables me to go back and fix it. I can do trials and errors on one table, without effeting the whole page, then when I get one that works I can apply it to all the other tables. Fucking up all the tables on the page during the experimental process of changing the tables would be an absolute cluster fuck for ME and make an edit that only takes a few seconds to fix on one table, 5 to 10 minutes to fix on an entire page. I'm not going to waste my time on fixing an entire pages worth of coding errors just to make it easy for you. it, what, takes a few seconds for you to check the history to double check and make sure nothing was vandalized, vs 10 minutes of me fixing a code on multiple tables in a single page?

Also, another thing, when have I ever messed something up and not gone back to fix it my self? I mean, really, why would I mess up and ruin somehting then leave it as is? I've been working on that page on this wiki since it was made, I'm the one who uploaded the majority of the images on that page, and I happen to be the one who took the screen shots for the majority of the re-color costumes from the Wii U version. If I cant be trusted to keep that page up to wiki standard, then that's your fault for being too untrusting.
Ixbran (talk) 21:33, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
There's quite a lot to talk about here and I don't have the time to respond to all of it at the moment (which is to say, if you would rather talk to me than him, I'd like to ask for your patience. I can get back to this, I just need to finish some stuff first).
I might be wrong, but it looks like you're putting a lot of words in Midoro's mouth, which isn't fair to him, as he simply meant to ask you to reduce staff workload, considering that this is an avoidable problem.
The point you made at the start of the last message is actually something called a "compliment sandwich", which is something we consciously try to avoid as it comes off as superficial and insincere. If you truly want that format of messages, perhaps we could present messages to you in that way, but you shouldn't assume that you're being disrespected just because there isn't a preface of shallow praise. It's difficult to illustrate how much we really do appreciate your efforts, and that's something that we hope to change in future software updates with MediaWiki plugins. Something that we're also looking at (and might be more familiar to you) is a visual editor, but that's still a little ways away, I'm afraid.
Anyway, I'll come back to this when I can. Please just try to remain calm, both of you. - TonyT S C 21:59, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

E3 Press Kit?

Hiya, I was wondering if you had a link to the E3 press kit? My internet was down at the time. Also, what do you mean by "shrunk down the image to avoid rendering issues" on that picture of Link on Epona. That's also why I'm asking. Servantofgod (talk) 16:40, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

What do you need from the press kit? I'm pretty sure we used everything from that. - TonyT S C 20:33, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

I want it so I don't have to download everything individually. I also don't want to be "pretty sure." I want to see what it held for myself. Do you have a link? Servantofgod (talk) 17:49, 24 June 2016 (UTC) Nevermind! Found it. ( :P to Tony. ) Servantofgod (talk) 18:22, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Leftover Hyrule Warrior Portraits

Hey Ixbran, Great job on updating Marin and the weapons with the weapon icons and portraits, But I have discovered there's not only the adventure mode and vs icons left, there's also a portrait update that there is a Dark Medli and a Dark Marin Spriters Resources

Thought u should know in case u forgotten. Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 13:08, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

HWL Linkle and Marin images

Hey there. I saw that you uploaded the larger versions of these images here: [1][2] [3]. I was wondering if you could direct me to where you found the original non-transparent versions of them so I could try doing a clean crop of them myself. --BowserTheSecond (talk) 07:07, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Comment

LOL hahaha~ Nice job on that man. That was very funny what u said XD Well I have been seeing images on them having their weapons cut off so i really dont care if u remove it or not XP But good job~ Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 12:41, 30 September 2016 (UTC)