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Cool. Clean. Alter.

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● Jan -Apr '10
● Sep -Dec '09
● May -Aug '09
● Jan -Apr '09
● Sep -Dec '08

Please feel free to ask me anything on my talk page! Whether it's about one of my edits, a page I started, a page you want me to create, my Timeline Theory, a general question, or you just want to get to know me, I'll be more than happy to answer. Also, I've recently taken a liking to designing userboxes. If you'd like me to make one in particular, feel free to ask! β€”Alter  {T C B H }

This user often has their uploaded images Borrowed ! Give credit where it is due.


● MSN: bible-man
● Skype: alterreborn
● E-mail: bible-man[at]hotmail.com

RE: Wanted Pages

I see. Makes sense.


Huh. Not much that really needs editing. Anything in need of improvement you could direct me to? Neo 03:36, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


If your curious as to why I moved to Zeldapedia, and abandoned this Zelda Wiki, please visit here for more information. Once again, I hope that no one feels betrayed by this sudden turn of events. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 03:54, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm curious about the word "aboned" :p Also, you're aware that we're about as far away from April as you can get? β€”Adam [ talk ] 08:23, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
It was a now-fixed typo. Yeah, I know. It's sort of like a half-birthday. Hahahaha... (why is no one laughing?) β€”Alter  {T C B H } 22:19, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Tingle artwork

Hello, at GoNintendo I found artwork of Tingle from Rupeeland that is better quality than any Vanpool Tingle artwork currently available at Zelda Wiki. I could upload it myself, but I'm not familiar with PNG transparency, so could you do that, please? Also, thanks for adding information on Balloon Trip! --Grandy02 10:42, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

That actually is Vanpool art, I believe. :p But yes, we have that same image, but it's a much smaller resolution. If you hadn't noticed, we can't upload images right now, anyway. But yes, I'll work on it. Thanks for pointing that out! :) β€”Alter  {T C B H } 18:38, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! I know it is Vanpool art, maybe I should have written "than any other Vanpool art available." ;-) --Grandy02 20:46, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
lol I don't care. Anyway, I'm editing it now, and will upload it when they fix the thumnail problem. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 22:19, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
OK, it's been added. Looks pretty spiffy, methinks. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 19:52, October 21, 2009 (UTC)


We have a page creation need going on, I'll fill you in via Skype. Axiomist (talk) 22:29, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Be right there. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 22:54, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Character Question

Can someone tell me what this character (οΏ½)is, and where I can download the language page, etc where it is? Thanks. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 02:13, 28 September 2009 (UTC)


Congrats on having over 2000 edits. I only have 1,800-something. β€”Austin (NIWA Operative) 03:06, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much. :) Of course, it depends on the quality of the edits. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 03:37, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
If quality mattered so much, you'd both still be on 0. Nah, just kidding. Congrats Alter on the 2,000. You're both great contributors. :) {{:User:Melchizedek1866/sig 03:45, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

I need my talk page protected for a little bit

My talk page has become a warzone of pissed off Zeldapedia people. They're just shouting pointlessly, and I want it to stop. Can you protect my talk page for a day or so to stop the problem?β€”Justin(Talk) 00:14, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

I've been watching. I would have a while back, but I'm actually not staff (lot of people think I am). I'll see that Nathan will take care of it. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 00:15, October 19, 2009 (UTC) 00:15, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, Alter.β€”Justin(Talk) 00:16, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm very sorry that you had to put up with all that trash. It's getting to be a real problem amongst the staff. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 00:22, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
Hey ALter I notice you are conveniantly on during all of this. Remember the last time you spammed Zeldapedia adding all that false information? --EDJoe45 00:20, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Hmm? I was simply told that one of my images had been stolen by ZP, and I requested that it be removed. I suppose it has? β€”Alter  {T C B H } 00:22, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
And you know what, I'm sick of you guys messing around with normal members. It shows a real problem you have.

Alter, I could've sworn you were an admin. Was I wrong?β€”Justin(Talk) 00:23, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. I just act like I am one. I've been around a long time. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 00:26, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
Are you sure it wasnt you Alter? And you never commented on the time you vandalized ZP.... --EDJoe45 00:24, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
I added perfectly good information. You didn't want, so I didn't want to be there. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 00:28, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Glad that's over

Well, last night was...interesting. Hopefully, it won't happen again.
In something unrelated, did you see the new dungeon templates I made? I'm liking template creation, so I'm doing more. In fact, I think I'm going to work on an OoA Nav...β€”Justin(Talk) 04:57, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, quite a story. I hope it doesn't, but it probably will. Yes, I saw your templates, and think they look quite nice. :) *two thumbs up* I myself enjoy making them, but it's rare that I see one that needs to be done that I want to do. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 05:02, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
Heh, speaking of templates, take a look at my new userbox:
I mostly made that for myself, but I'm hoping others decide to use it as well. What other templates should I make?β€”Justin(Talk) 00:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I was looking at that. Looks pretty good. :) I may even make a similar one for me, that more or less matches my userpage. I can't really say that I know of any that are needed, which I'm not currently working on. One thing that we could use some help with is adding "gender" the character boxes. (i.e. |gender = Male, just under the |race = Hylian, for example) β€”Alter  {T C B H } 00:44, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Just tell me what you want it to look like and I'll do it for you ;) Anyways, don't the gender boxes already exist?

Oh, and as a last thing to add, I've registered at Ordon village, where I see you're a webmaster ;)
I remember when people were advertising OV on Zelda Universe...I offered to help with the site, but it wasn't up and running yet, and then I left ZU. And now I'm banned from ZU. XDβ€”Justin(Talk) 10:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I was talking about people like Link. Where they have a character info box (race gender, titles, appearances, first game, etc.) I'm glad you joined OV! We're really in need of some activity at the moment, and I've been too busy to work on it. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 04:57, October 21, 2009 (UTC)
Ahhh, I see. Tonight, I'll get to work on it. Just name the templates requiring editing. And OV looks neat. Small, but neat.β€”Justin(Talk) 10:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. :) Actually, almost every person listed here needs it added. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 18:01, October 21, 2009 (UTC)
Oh, my. That's a big project. Certainly worth a few hours' work, I'd say. If you could help me out, I'll take everything from A to M, and you can do N through Z. You know how to do this, correct? Just add:
|Gender = (insert gender)β€”Justin(Talk) 19:01, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

OK. I wish I'd seen sooner. I've been working on it myself, and was jumping all over the board. I just had an edit conflict with you on "Aba". lol β€”Alter  {T C B H } 19:04, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

XDDDDD Sorry! But that's funny. Anyways, let's-a-go!β€”Justin(Talk) 19:08, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I have to vacuum my floors, but I'll be back to help you finish up in about 15 minutes. I've just finished the 'A' names.β€”Justin(Talk) 19:48, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
That's cool. I'm going to head out, as well. I've almost finished the "M" section. What I'm also doing is adding character boxes where there are none. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 19:50, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Alter, do you have Skype?β€”Justin(Talk) 19:54, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. Most active members here do. Mine's alterreborn. You can see it and everyone else's here.
Oh, and I'm heading out for the weekend, so I won't be able to respond. :P Later. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 20:04, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
I see. When you get back, though, I need to talk to you about ZP in private.β€”Justin(Talk) 03:09, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Sure thing, bud. Just send me a message when I'm on. (note: even if it says "do not disturb", I'm probably still on). β€”Alter  {T C B H } 05:46, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Alter, why are you so cool?

Hey Alter, I wanted to know why you're so cool! Will you plz tell me? -Jimmy

Hi Jimmy! I was just wondering that same thing! I came to the conclusion... ...that it's because I was born. I hope I answered your question, and that everyone will tune in next time for "Alter's Ego"!* β€”Alter  {T C B H } 05:56, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
  • *That was to celebrate my 2,500th edit.


I've suggested you for admin. Hell, you deserve it. My vote probably won't go far, but you never know.β€”Justin(Talk) 04:24, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey, thanks! I appreciate it. :) β€”Alter  {T C B H } 05:57, November 11, 2009 (UTC)


Why did you move minister Potho to just Potho? We had Christopher move the page to Minister Potho because that's his title. It's better to leave it at this, since he is a non-recurring character.β€”Justin(Talk) 00:00, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

The reason for that is because titles aren't part of a person's name (i.e. "Mayor Ruul" is "Ruul"). It's how things have been done before, and it needs to remain consistent. To further make a point, we wouldn't have a page called "Parasitic Armored Arachnid Gohma". β€”Alter  {T C B H } 00:12, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
Point made. I don't know why I bother to question you, anymore XDβ€”Justin(Talk) 00:13, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
No, questioning is good. I make quite few mistakes myself (and then the admins yell at me and make me cry). But seriously, one of the big problems our wiki is having is consistency. There are so many editors who come and make a few edits, but are unfamiliar with the usual formats, etc, and all of our pages are looking different more and more. Currently, I'm trying to get everything looking the same. Hopefully, I'll be done with the character pages soon. :P P.S. Still got to finish the gender additions, as well. (No! Not mine, sicko!) β€”Alter  {T C B H } 00:26, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
Oh, crap! I forgot all about the character pages!β€”Justin(Talk) 06:20, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Alter go bye-bye?

Again? :( Where do you keep goin?β€”Justin(Talk) 17:48, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

I've only been gone twice. I'm out of town, but I have some computer access. The first time was for other reasons. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 22:37, November 26, 2009 (UTC)
Ohh. I see. I'm using my Wii and PSP to edit around a bit. Well, I use my PSP for talk pages only, though, since there's a text limit. The Wii is what I'm on now. I've been coding templates by hand, recently. For example, the Template:Shields one was done fully by hand. :Pβ€”Justin(Talk) 23:26, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Looks good. If I wanted, I could use my DSi to do, but it's so slow. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 02:27, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
Holy bejeebus. I would kill myself before trying to use a DSi. At least I have a USB keyboard for my Wii so that I can type a lot more in less time!β€”Justin(Talk) 02:35, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Why on earth are you using a Wii do do such things? Lacking a computer? You have a keyboard for it? That's pretty cool. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 02:41, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Well...yes and no. My parents are the computer nazis, and they think that whatever I do causes the computer to get a virus. I was typing in a bunch of HTML coding and my dad lost his mind thinking I was causing a virus. So yeah. Plus, my Wii is in my room, so I have easy access. I just wish I had a copy paste ability.β€”Justin(Talk) 03:09, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


It may be categorizing your talk because it's part of your nav. If you don't mind, I'll try taking it out to see if that works. The strange thing about this, though, is that your nav is NOT categorized as userboxes. It may have something to do with a template inside a template, y'know?β€”Justin(Talk) 03:15, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

No, it's fine. Just leave it. I only want to figure out why. :P β€”Alter  {T C B H } 03:16, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
But, it does use the noinclude. That should have prevented it. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 03:17, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
Huh. I put a subst: in front of it to see what would pop up, but I didn't find the link anywhere. No harm done, though. There must be some way to take the category out, though.β€”Justin(Talk) 03:19, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Steve took a look at it. It was that "1,000 Edits" template. :P It also did the same thing to my userpage. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 03:45, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

What in the heck? That makes no sense, though...Well, whatever. It's all good now, right?β€”Justin(Talk) 03:52, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it's all good. :) Basically, the template had a category in it. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 04:03, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

...kay. Dunno how that was missed.
Also, do you know much about HTML? If you do, I invite you to help me write the HTML help guide. I've been the only one writing it, and I had to cut my infobox session short. I could use some help, if you're interested :3β€”Justin(Talk) 04:10, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
I really should learn HTML and C+. I'd help, but I wouldn't be much. :( β€”Alter  {T C B H } 04:33, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Your table

I can't seem to locate your wikistuff page to sneak a peek at the source code of your "Zelda Games" table, so I would like to know what exactly you use to code it. I used the same format as the ZW Skype table for mine, but I like learning new things. Enlighten me :)β€”Justin(Talk) 04:54, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I suspect you are looking for how to get the boxes adjusted to their current positions? (that took forever to get the correct alignments) You can see for yourself. It's pretty enough on the outside, but it's messy on the inside. Let me know if you have trouble finding anything in that coding jumble. You should be glad I like you enough to give you the page. :D Oh, and you see anything that I should improve here: User:Alter/NDSHomebrew, let me know. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 05:02, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
That's it? That's the easiest coding I've ever SEEN!! Take a look at mine! It's got all this crazy coding and junk attached!β€”Justin(Talk) 05:06, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Yes, yours does. Have a capital "W". I think I only used wiki markup code to build the entire page, untilrecently anyway. I've been adding onto it. :P β€”Alter  {T C B H } 05:09, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Your 2000th edit?

So I read about your 2000th edit, but when I was going to put my name into your page for that section - I couldn't because of your silly anti-hack edit screen. Tryna put my name in that section too? =)β€” ciprianotalk 05:37, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Shhhh...β€”Justin(Talk) 05:42, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it's one of my more interesting edit... :P I swear, Neo. You hang out on my page more than I do! :D β€”Alter  {T C B H }
*shifts eyes*β€”Justin(Talk) 21:05, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


This is rather random but... May I use the box on your page that displays personal information (title, age, race, etc.) for my own page? - TonyT S C 20:11, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Go right ahead! You can look for it in the mess found here: User:Alter/Wikistuff Let me know if there's something particular that you want. I've gone to heck editing and customizing it, so there's a lot of extra code. :) β€”Alter  {T C B H } 20:22, December 10, 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much. I'll edit the coding to my specifications, then. However, do you know if I can find out the date that I joined? I can't remember... - TonyT S C 20:49, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
June 07, 2008 was when you made your first edit. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 21:10, December 10, 2009 (UTC)
I'm not entirely certain that that's when I joined but it'll do. Once again, thank you. - TonyT S C 22:56, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Sure! Just ask me here if you have any more questions! β€”Alter  {T C B H } 23:28, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

I thought it'd be best to talk from here so... I haven't actually gotten an image to put up. Particularly because of my inability to upload images to wiki's with the proper extension. If you want to/would, you could upload one for me. I can upload it (I have a designated one) elsewhere and you would be able to re-upload it under a proper file name to the archives here. Alternatively, if you know how to add an external image, we could skip the mundane task of having to re-upload it. - TonyT S C 01:15, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
It's quite easy. If you give me the link, I could have it up in five minutes. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 01:16, December 20, 2009 (UTC)
Very well, then. It's right here. (http://zeldaodyssey.t35.com/RippedZero.png) (It has a mis-leading file name, it's really a .bmp despite saying ".png") - TonyT S C 01:24, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Done. You can see the pic here. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 01:28, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Good. Thank you for this. I'll put it on my page. - TonyT S C 01:33, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

No prob! Always glad to help out another ZW.org editor. :) Let me know if you want any more images uploaded! β€”Alter  {T C B H } 01:47, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Ancient Stone Tablets

I know you've played AST, and I KNOW you played it with a rom, so I was wondering if you could tell me this. I completed week one and changed my SRM filename to week 2. This worked and brought my saved info over to the week two game. However, I tried to change my week two SRM filename to week three, but it refuses to load up the old info. Any ideas on how to fix this?β€”Justin(Talk) 10:10, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't really remember. I just did followed the instructions on the site. You may want to try the save converter.
What emulator are you using? A few days ago, I tried playing AST again to refresh myself before building the pages, but I couldn't remember the appropriate emulator, and the ones on their site weren't exactly friends with my computer, if you know what I mean. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 19:01, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
I'm using the recommended one, ZSNES. I think I'm just not going to bother. AST is...interesting, but it's not really great.β€”Justin(Talk) 19:44, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Alright. Well, I'm going to try to get it working. I'll let you know what the solution is if I do. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 20:06, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Quick, Slightly more than personal question

So you're the famous Alter... I've heard all about you at Zeldapedia. Ironiclly, I've never been on during one of your incidents, so I don't hate you. Just wondering, Do you actually hack wikia? And why? You seem like a pretty big honcho here, so I don't really see any cause for you to do somehting like that? Mr kmil 00:24, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm very glad to finally have someone there question me in a reasonable way. Surprisingly, most of the incidents I've heard about/been accused of, I had no knowledge of. The story is this: I never cared about Zeldapedia, and had only gone there out of curiosity a couple times. However, I created the Adlar page over here, and a few hours later, I saw that EDJ had stolen it, along with several of the images I uploaded. With some encouragement from a former administrator here, I created an account over there, and added in some bad information there as a form of revenge.
But I apologized when I saw the effect of it, although it was only 3-4 pages that were harmed. Other than that, though, there were no other times I did anything illicit over there. Did I hack Wikia? Not at all. I simply happen to have an IP address that changes every few days or so. If I want to go over there to make a comment, I can.
But you are correct- I have no reason to do anything over there, so I don't. Unfortunately, it keeps getting brought to my attention that my pages/ideas are being taken by your site, and it causes some hard feelings. So tell me- is every random spammer being attributed to me? β€”Alter  {T C B H } 00:40, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
Who was the admin? He might be someone I should watch out for. Mr kmil 04:33, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
I'll continue the chat on Skype. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 04:39, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
Hey I need to talk to you on Skype. And its really not that bad and I'm not here to accuse you of anything. If anything this is more of an apology. --EDJoe45 05:35, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Sounds good. My username is alterreborn, and I'm on now. β€”Alter  {T C B H } 05:46, December 31, 2009 (UTC)