Talk:The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask/Archive 1
hello i just wanted 2 start this page off
- 1 Which friend was Link searching for?
- 2 Pictures
- 3 History / Ports
- 4 Pronounciation
- 5 Guide canon...icity?
- 6 Reception
- 7 Virtual Console?
- 8 sidequests?
- 9 Improved 'n' Reloaded
- 10 Manga
- 11 The Sequel to Ocarina of Time
- 12 "The first NPC Link could murder"
- 13 Twilight Princess
- 14 Alice Analogy
- 15 Link's Death
Which friend was Link searching for?
Wasn't Link searching for his skull kid friend in the first place. After all, he might not have recognized the skull kid with Majora's Mask because he was acting mean. I used to be sure that Link was looking for Navi too but a couple years ago somebody explained Majora's mask to me differently (with Link searching for skull kid instead of Navi) and that kind of made sense too.
It definatly wasn't Skull Kid, cos at the end of MM before the credits, Link goes off on Epona into the Lost Woods without him. Link of Vey
I'm pretty sure it was Navi. Sensibly, a missing close companion would cuase Link more worry than a one-time aquanitance. Not too mention, I believe, the backround sound hints at a fairy, ie Navi, is the missing friend.
- As far as I know, there's nothing canon stating that Link was searching for Navi, but the general consensus in the Zelda Community is that Navi is the only realistic candidate. --Jin 16:11, 31 October 2006 (CST)
I know for sure it was Navi. The skull kid is actually a race, meaning there are many skull kids. By the way did you know it used to be called Legend of Zelda: Delayed quest for Navi?--Eponasowner 14:56, 18 November 2007 (EST)
- W... what? No it wasn't. It was codenamed Zelda Gaiden, "gaiden" roughly meaning "side-story". Ando 17:00, 16 January 2008 (EST)
It's most likely Navi. During the sequence explaining the events in the beginning of the game, you can here Navi sparkly, jingly sound when it talks about Link looking for his friend. And there Skull Kids and THE Skull Kid. And it's never really been confirmed if the Skull Kids in the Lost Woods were the same Skull Kid or separate ones.--Green 23:08, 30 December 2007 (EST)
It's probably Navi. When they explain Link's quest in the beginning, you can definitely reconize Navi's jingly sound-and, in the Majora's Mask manga-it definitely is true Link was searching for Navi. I don't really think he would want to find Skull Kid. ZeldaGirl96 22:17, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
- Link was searching for a "beloved and invaluable" friend; Skull Kid doesn't fulfil either criteria. Rob 64 00:49, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
The intro of MM clearly said "A friend with whom he parted ways when he finally fulfilled his heroic destiny and took his place among legends...". While it could be Zelda, why would Link be looking for her in the forest? It would only make sense for it to be Navi anyway. User:Steven/sig 22:48, 21 August 2008 (EST)
Where the hell does Zelda come into it. Anyway at the beginning of MM it showed Zelda giving Link the Ocarina of Time before he went on his journey to find his missing friend, so that counts her out. Also Link had only met Skull Kid once before, so i couldn't have been him. Though it never says it is Navi that Link is looking for, all evidence points to her. Link of Vey
"Where the hell foes Zelda come into it?"
- Lol, you didn't read my whole post did you? User:Steven/sig 21:11, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
I've always thought it was Saria, he had Navi at the end of Ocarina of Time (if I remember correctly), and Saria fits the criteria of beloved (first 'real' character you meet, and Link grew up with her, as well as Mido asking how you got to be Saria's favorite), and invaluable (sage). CAW4 18:49, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
- You're not remembering correctly. :) Navi leaves Link right after he puts the Master Sword back in the pedestal. Saria isn't likely because Link knows she is a sage and so it's fairly obvious that he isn't gonna run into her walking through the woods. --Yumil 19:35, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, I checked afterwards, you're right, but Link is a child during Majora's Mask, so she might still be in Lost Woods. I'm not trying to say this is true, it's just what I've always thought. CAW4 22:06, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
In addition to filling in the empty header's I've put there, this page needs some bigger and more relevant screenshots/pictures. I've been searching for quite a while but I can't seem to find any decent ones.
History / Ports
I made this new section called "Ports and Remakes" and took the information from "History / Development" and put it there. I'll do this with every other game applicable, as well. If there are any objections, let me know. Ando 12:27, 18 January 2008 (EST)
- Wow, great idea! This works really well and is a nice, clear and informative layout that can be used on every game article. Good work! --Adam (talk) 13:58, 18 January 2008 (EST)
- :D Thanks. Ando 17:41, 18 January 2008 (EST)
How do you actually pronounce Majora? A friend told me it is 'Manjora', it looks like, well, you know, and my parents pronounce it like the country. Oh and is Deku 'Dayku' or 'de-ku'.--L1NK 16:30, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
L1nk 16:32, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- Majora - "Mah-joh-rah". Where the heck does "Manjora" come from? There is no "n". D:
- Deku - "Deh-koo".
- Also, your "parents pronounce it like the country"? Is there a country called Majora and I missed it? :O --Ando 21:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- It may also be spelt 'Mallorca' if that helps. And my friend thhinks because it's Japanese, it's pronounced differently. It's not like it isn't on this planet, Sean!!! Thanks a lot, you reallly helped out. Maybe we should put the pronounciation next to the name?L1nk 19:15, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh, so there's a country called Majorca. Huh. Never knew that.
Regarding things being based on Japanese, well... I speak Japanese, and that's what I based the pronunciations off of. Technically Majora's name is different in Japanese (actually being "Mujura" - "moo-joo-rah"), but going off of Japanese pronunciations Majora would be what I said. Still not sure where the "n" comes from if he's trying to base it off of Japanese. And if he REALLY wanted to get technical the "r" wouldn't really sound like an English "r" at all. BUT whatever.
As for adding pronunciations... it could work. We might want to do it in IPA pronunciation, though, I don't know. I'll have to talk with the rest of the staff about what we should do regarding that. --Ando 19:25, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- Well, nobody else voiced an opinion so I went ahead and put in a system for IPA support here. I've added pronunciations for the two examples above (here: Majora's Mask (Boss), Deku), and at the moment I've left a space between each syllable to make it easier to read. (Also L1nk, Majorca isn't a country, it's part of Spain. You confused poor Ando! (and me at first ;P)) --Adam 09:31, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
- I've always said it like "Dee-Koo". It sounds better, and seems to fit the theme better.User:Matt/sig 04:09, October 24, 2008 (UTC)
Technically, Prima guides are still official. Nintendo says "yup, you can make them" and gives them various press packages for art and stuff, and I assume that they have to pass it through Nintendo for approval first as well. They probably don't have to do any less than Nintendo Power. :/ NP was probably just going for something a little less vague sounding than "well it might have been navi but maybe it was skull kid they never actually say!!" After all, why would the English strategy guide makers know years after the game came out but nobody else? --Ando 04:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- Prima guides are licensed by Nintendo. Nintendo Power guides are made by Nintendo. There's a big difference. Game developers are going to have much more pull on a Nintendo Power guide than a Prima one. Is is conclusive? No, not quite. It's really strong evidence however.--Matt 04:57, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
And the years after the game came out thing is because it was a guide for when they took a Nes,Super Nes, and two N64 games and put them in a game cube game, then they made a guide with all four games in it. --Sibonsmagee 6:54, 5 June 2008 (CST)
- Only a Nintendo guide was released for this collection. No Prima guide. Perhaps they wanted to clear up any confusion. If only they would do that on other issues as well.--Matt 14:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- But you've gotta remember... we have absolutely no idea what goes into making a strategy guide. For all we know, the developers never look at a guide to confirm anything. Maybe they do? We don't know. But I've never trusted a strategy guide regardless of its maker to tell me factual information of that sort, but perhaps that's just me. --Ando 15:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- Also, what kind of issues could you be talking about? :P
- Minor details here and there. Things that are theories now that could be cleared up. Nothing in particular.--Matt 16:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Oh. You, uh, clearly missed the joke. The joke... that... involved links. In my text. --Ando 18:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Ok that issues thing was funny . -- sibonsmagee 17:26, 5 June 2008
- I didn't miss the joke. It was among the main things I was thinking of. I'll also note that the official guide from Nintendo Power states that Link is looking for Navi. The exact words are on page four and are: "Months after parting ways with his fairy sidekick, Navi, in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Link sets off to search for his missing companion." A Nintendo Power guide is much closer to being canon then a Prima guide. It seems fairly conclusive.--Matt 05:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- I'm not saying that Link isn't looking for Navi -- heck, I totally believe that he is. The problem is that it's never explicitly stated in the game itself. Guides shouldn't be taken as canon, regardless of how close to the source they are. And given that some fans still believe that Skull Kid is the missing friend, it should be noted as a possibility instead of solid fact. --Ando 23:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
The guide says "from Nintendo Power" because Nintendo Power published it, not wrote it. Nintendo Power is fully part of Nintendo of America, and it is not a separate entity. It was written by the Nintendo of America staff with assistance from Nintendo of Japan. It is not close to the source, it IS THE SOURCE. If we keep going in this direction of absolute canon is the only canon then this site will never accomplish anything at all. Look at Star Wars, there are about four levels of accepted canon with George Lucas being the highest. These Nintendo Power guides are no father from being official canon than Zelda.com is. So are you saying the all the names for well over two-thirds of our characters and enemies are no good just because they didn't come from the games? No, that's ridiculous. There is no difference in canonality from the Nintendo Power guides and Zelda.com. If Zelda.com is acceptable, then by logic, so is the Nintendo power guides. I would be surprised if the very same people worked on both. Hmmm? Did my head just explode?^_^--Matt 00:42, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
- Question: How do you have this knowledge of what goes into the creation of a strategy guide? And how do you know that NP isn't a separate entity from NoA? I'm not saying that you're stupid or wrong or anything, I'm honestly asking. --Ando 01:03, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
- For one thing, the guides have published by Nintendo of America Inc written inside. And Nintendo does that through Nintendo Power. Nintendo Power's online presence is fully integrated into Nintendo.com. I can put two and two together. It doesn't take that much effort to figure out.--Matt 01:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
But again, does that mean that NoA fully fact-checks every last bit of the guides, or does NP do that? And even then, how do we know that NoA knows for a fact that Link was searching for Navi? For all we know it could have been something just assumed or lost in translation. What I'm trying to say is that we really can't know for sure. The best possible source would obviously be Aonuma himself, but... it's not like I have his phone number. :P --Ando 03:01, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
- What I am trying to say is that Nintendo will definite check out its own work. If you write something yourself, do you just send it out without going over it, checking it? Of course you don't. No one in there right mind would publish something they made themselves without checking it first. Their ego is on the line. We can be assured because of their pride. It's human nature. But if someone else makes it, they could care less about its quality. Its really pretty simple.--Matt 03:24, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
- And before you say it. Little errors will always leak through. They run on a tight schedule remember.--Matt 03:25, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity, did you two argue over any thing eles before i came here?--Sibonsmagee 22:53, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
- @Matt: Doesn't the "little errors will always leak through" only help to prove my point? :/
- @Sibons: Um... you mean, like, before you joined, or what? --Ando 02:03, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
- When I said "little errors will always leak through", I meant that little errors will always leak through in everything, everywhere. Not just guides. So it all balances out.--Matt 03:48, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
well pretty much after i joined i made a change on this document so, yeah --Sibonsmagee 16:24, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone notice that the "Reception" section for this page is copied from Wikipedia? User:Steven/sig
- Yeah, I'd noticed that a while ago, just never actually bothered to sit down and research reception scores and write a new version of the section. :P If you'd like to, go ahead, otherwise I can do it. User:Ando/sig 21:56, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
The article mentions that Nintendo have announced a Virtual Console release for Majora's Mask, but I've not heard anything about this before I read it here. When was this announced? Does anyone have a link? Rob 64 15:07, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Where does the article say that? That hasn't been confirmed, so yeah you can delete that part. User:Steven/sig 11:09, 22 August 2008 (EST)
- Ah, really? Well, I made that section, but the "Nintendo has announced blah blah blah" part was already there. I left it because, well, I don't know EVERYTHING about Zelda, so perhaps it was announced and I just missed it! But if no one here actually remembers it being announced, yeah, remove it. User:Ando/sig 18:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
- Shame, really. XD
- I got my hopes up there; Majora's Mask is the title I most want them to add. Majora's Mask and Starwing, they're all we need. :3 Anyway, thanks a lot for the filthy filthy lie, whoever wrote that. Whoever you are, you broke my heart. Rob 64 21:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
- I know we all know this by now, but Majora's Mask has been on the Virtual Console for over a year worldwide.Gormanbros 12:15, 14 August 2010 (EDT)Gormanbros
are they really? Dragonstetraforce 20:57, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
seeing as you need every maskDragonstetraforce 20:59, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
- There's heart containers, gilded sword sidequests, and more importantly, there is the Bombers' Notebook. User:Steven/sig 21:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
- I'm confused here. Are you asking if the sidequests within the game can truly be counted as sidequests? If so, there are only six masks you need in order to complete the game (Deku, Goron, Zora, Gibdo, Captain's Hat, and Garo's). The rest are obtained through various quests not related to the completion of the game's story, hence, they're sidequests. Plus the aforementioned Heart Containers, sword upgrades, etc. User:Ando/sig 21:21, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Well, you can beat Twinmold without it. It is freaking hard. But it is possible. I've done it. Its weak spots are always weak. You don't have to be big to hurt him.User:Matt/sig 00:45, October 9, 2008 (UTC)
- Okay, well technically you need to get the Giant's Mask in order to open the next door, but, as Matt said, you don't need to use it. I mean, unless you hate incredibly difficult things. D: User:Ando/sig 02:21, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Improved 'n' Reloaded
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, I have added new details and rewrote some others. Some sections were expanded to the reader's joy. Also, to be sincerely honest, this article was horribly biased, almost as if it was writen by a deeply hater of the game, I know this site is more lenient than Wikipedia in matter of subjetivity, but some sentences were just stupid: Many fans felt cheated after paying for what was a new product and got, at least in surface, a poor man's Ocarina with little top add, it said. What was this? The game did receive criticism for the many similarities with OOT, but none up to this excessive level. The game is also noted for its "unnecessary" sidequests, it also said. That term was TOO agressive, as if the sidequests were just trying to waste your time, to be "out of place" (as the damn Gerstmann said once) or simply to be uninteresting. "optional", "secondary" and "extra" are far better terms. Mixed reactions from regular fans, I had read somewhere. Boy, the game was certainly controversial at the time it exploded on scene, but the final veredict is clearly seen in the published user opinions and reader reviews from the same professional websites where the official reviews were posted. Or why do you think most people were crying for missing MM on the Virtual Console? --K2L 01:11, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Everyone says they THINK it's Navi, while the manga clearly states he IS looking for Navi. Can the manga be considered canon, or not?-Dekuta 00:17, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- It hardly can, considering that the manga shows a theory on the Mask's origins that isn't yet considered official by Nintendo. You can, however, add the manga's statements in the plot section, I don't see why not. --K2L 16:22, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- The manga is not canon. It is a separate canon within itself, but it doesn't relate to the series. The manga is a personal interpretation of Zelda. Yes it is licensed by Nintendo, but not endorsed. I personally do believe it is Navi, but the game only implies that, not states. As the manga means nothing canonically, you cannot plainly state that it is Navi.
- This page is actually for the storyline of the Majora's mask game, not manga, so no, you can't add manga plot here. That would go on The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (Manga) page.User:Melchizedek/sig 08:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
The Sequel to Ocarina of Time
Isn't Majora's Mask the true sequel to Ocarina of Time in the Zelda series? Do the events in Majora's Mask come right after those in Ocarina of Time? Please prove it one way or the other.--HeroOfTime 09:03, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, it's a sequel. Note that in the game, it says "You remembered Epona's Song!" and "You remembered the Song of Storms!"
- MM is the direct sequel to OOT, as stated in Collector's Edition, taking place in the Child Timeline; The Wind Waker is an indirect sequel that takes place 100 years after OOT in the Adult Timeline. All this is from the canon perspective, mind you. When some people demote MM and TWW, they call Twilight Princess the "true sequel", but like TWW it's only an indirect sequel to OOT and MM due to a 100-year gap. --K2L 21:02, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
"The first NPC Link could murder"
...Who? Because I want to kill him/her. NAO. -Lilfut, who starves his Sims
That trivia needs to be more specific. It could be referring to Captain Keeta, King Ikana, or even Mikau (since the Song of Healing is what transfomed him into a mask).--Knife 01:29, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
One word: BULLSHIT. You can't kill Sakon at all, just hurt. ...Unless I've been missing out on something. Graf-Ganon 18:52, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
- For one, please refrain from using profanity on this wiki, as it is a public one, and we are proud of our professional appearance and reputation. Secondly, Graf-Ganon, you can "kill" Sakon in Majora's Mask by shooting an arrow at him after he steals the woman's bag. It is filled with explosives apparently, and thus, when he is hit, the resulting explosion literally vaporizes him. If you don't believe me, and I've done this, check this link. User:Cipriano 119/sig 19:46, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Well, Sakon can be killed, but you really don't kill Captain Keeta. After beating him, he talks, salutes you and then buries himself, but the point i'm making, is that he is already dead, and you didn't kill a skeleton. Same with Igos du Ikana. I wouldn't call it murder what Link did to Mikau, because it really eased him into death, not painfullyGormanbros 12:27, 14 August 2010 (EDT)Gormanbros
I seriously doubt that Twilight Princess(Under gamestyle) should still be called a ,"New Game". ~Moshata, The Mistress~ 15:22, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
- I'm going to fix that part. For next time, however, do it yourself; you're an user of the wiki and thus you can edit the articles. --K2L 15:35, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
- Don't be afraid to edit or fix things, Moshata! :) Although...I know how it can be sometimes... I get too lazy to fix things myself. :B Dany36 15:45, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Hey, I realized something a while back. Don't you think this game is loosely based on "Alice in Wonderland"? In the beginning of the game, Link follows Skull Kid into the forest, and he falls down a hole, and while he is falling, various faces appear. This is kind of like Alice falling down the rabbit hole, and the various household objects in the chasm. Also, the country of Termina shares similarities to Wonderland. If you can call Link's adventure in Termina a dream, then the entire country is based on his memory of Hyrule, only twisted and warped. This is again similar to Alice and her adventure in Wonderland. I'm pretty sure there are other similarities, though none come to mind at the moment, other than both main characters are blonde. What do you guys think? RupeeLord 03:44, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
- It may be an inspiration, but you may need to find references to add it in the article (and even then, the info should go here instead). Also, it's unconfirmed whether Termina is a dream or not, so stating it as a fact would be far-fetched. In fact, the game is more similar to The Mask due to the transformations, but that's also speculation, I'm afraid. --K2L 22:54, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not really saying it is a dream, or even a dream. More of like a projection of Link's memories into a new world, or a different dimension, seeing as when he fell down the hole. It can also be analogous of "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz", but I'm not gonna go into detail on that right now. RupeeLord 02:03, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
I thought this page would mention the idea that this game represents the death of the Hero of Time, even if it had the "theory" warning. It's fairly well known I thought, and it makes a lot of sense, as well as explaining the darker tone of the game. Spinningfox 00:13, 25 January 2011 (EST)
- I was confused as to what you meant at first, but I may understand. Do you mean at the beginning, when Link falls down the hole in the Lost Woods, he "dies" and the rest of the game is some sort of dream he experiences while in limbo, or through an out-of-body event? If so, then why not... there should be some trivia mention. If that's not wnat you're implying, can you please elaborate? User:Cipriano/sig 20:52, 26 January 2011 (EST)