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Being that Tektites have appeared in practically every game, I think they deserve a bigger article.

No one's stopping you from improving it. :) If you need help, you can always ask. IfIHaveTo 01:39, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Water Tektite

Given that Water Tektites have a completely different name in Japan, and don't even look anything like Tektites in A Link to the Past, which was their first appearance, should there be a page for Hōbā or Hover or whatever people are happy with as a name? I think there is confusion between them and the Blue Tektites in Ocarina of Time, even though the enemies aren't really meant to be related. The ones in ALttP certainly don't resemble Tektites in the slightest. Perhaps Water Tektite should be split from the main article as technically they are not the same thing? Yes, yes, American names are canon on this wiki and all, but that still doesn't mean the American names can't be misleading. As things are, I was searching for the ALttP enemy and simply could not find it until I stumbled here. Anybody playing ALttP certainly would not equate that enemy with a Tektite, so its fairly confusing. Fizzle 18:49, 4 October 2011 (EDT)

I disagree.
Would people be any more likely to equate them with the name "Hōba" or "Hover"? I don't think we need to make this our problem. Canon sources call them Tektites, so all we can do is take their word for it. Besides, most people probably look for enemies through the gallery pages, which does a fine job helping people associating a name to a visual.
There's no need for us make more work for ourselves in this case, that's what I think. — Hylian King [*] 20:32, 9 October 2011 (EDT)
Canon sources call the ones in Link's Awakening Tektites, because they have four legs and one eye. The ones in ALttP look as much like a Tektite as a Shadow Insect does, and no canon sources give them a name, thats my issue. I would never assume that they were the same enemy UNLESS I knew they had the same Japanese name already, which shows that they're not Tektites anyway. But maybe you have a point, there's more work to be done elsewhere first, its a minor issue, its just something that cropped up with me while editing. Fizzle 07:24, 10 October 2011 (EDT)
Ah, I misunderstood. The ones in ALTTP are not given a name in English, and their names in Japanese name is "Hōba" instead of "Tekutaito", correct? In that case, a split would be warranted. — Hylian King [*] 10:36, 10 October 2011 (EDT)
Correct, yes. I can see it being a bit of a sticky issue, because it IS the same enemy, but its just not a Tektite in Japan, and only looks like a Tektite in one game, and only named one in the slightly dodgy Link's Awakening guide anyway (that thing has a lot to answer for when it comes to naming, ugh). The enemy appeared in Inishie no Sekiban as well, looking the same as in ALttP. I assume they changed its look on the Game Boy games primarily because it would be too hard to work out what it was meant to be in 8-bit graphics. Weirdly, Tektites in the Game Boy games only have TWO legs, so they don't even look like Tektites in the game that they are named one. Fizzle 18:22, 10 October 2011 (EDT)
Perhaps the "Water Tektite" should be described in detail on the Hover article, but the article should be linked to from a "Water Tektite" mini-section on this page? --Osteoderm Jacket 08:05, 24 July 2012 (EDT)
Probably a good idea. To be honest, I wouldn't mind the Hover page even being named Water Tektite as long as it's kept separate from the main Tektite page and it's made explicitly clear that they're not really the same thing (because they're Tektites in name only, really). User:Fizzle/sig 22:27, 24 July 2012 (EDT)

Orange vs. Red Tektite

"The Orange Tektite appears in the Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons. While the attributes of the orange Tektite are identical to those of the red Tektite it just a color alteration that makes them different. While some might be tempted to consider these creatures as actual red Tektites, the color distinction becomes clear when comparing other red and orange enemies within Zelda titles."

I fail to see the logic behind this. The Oracle games have orange as the "red" palette for several other enemies, besides Tektites, that come in a red and a blue version, as does The Legend of Zelda, the game they started life as a remake of. Also, if memory serves the only case of a Zelda game having distinct red and orange palette swaps of the same enemy that differ in the usual ways palette swaps do (I'm not counting the palace guards in this game; they're barely enemies and I don't think there are any gameplay differences between their palettes) is a few instances in The Adventure of Link. At any rate, the game this section is about doesn't have distinct orange and red Tektites, nor does any other Zelda game, and the orange Tektites differ from the blues in the exact same way the reds usually do, by having less health. So what's the point of treating "orange" as a distinct kind of Tektite? --Osteoderm Jacket 08:18, 24 July 2012 (EDT)

The only reason the Tektites are colored orange in the Oracle games is to mimic the orange color of the ones in the original Zelda game, which were described as red in the manual anyway, so you're right, there are only two color varieties, red and blue (well, and gold). However, the differences are not consistent; in the first Zelda game and A Link to the Past, blue Tektites are the weaker variety. It was not until Ocarina of Time that the blue variety was made the stronger one, and their water-based nature is only used in Ocarina, Majora and Twilight games, so there probably needs to be more detail in the whole section because it varies a lot from game to game. User:Fizzle/sig 08:52, 24 July 2012 (EDT)
Yes, we should mention that the health difference between the colors is not consistent between games. I'd forgotten about that. That said, shall I go ahead and remove the "Orange Tektite" section, perhaps adding a note to the Red Tektite section that in TLoZ and the Oracle Series "Red" Tektites are orange? --Osteoderm Jacket 21:26, 24 July 2012 (EDT)
Go ahead and do that for now. I need to actually remind myself of the differences in the later games before I can edit it properly. I can't remember which is weaker and which is stronger in FSA, for example. I think the red ones are bigger and stronger in Phantom Hourglass, at least. User:Fizzle/sig 22:25, 24 July 2012 (EDT)