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Guru-guru

Anyone got any ideas as to where Guru-guru learned the Song of Storms in Majora's Mask? If the song was made by Flat to act against his brother after death, then how did Guru-Guru learn it? Is it because the troupe travels far and wide and he might've learned it from some obscure mystic near Ikana? Or did he break into the graveyard and learn the notes? Ideas, please. 14:24, 8 October 2008 (UTC)Tounushi

It is most likely a reference to his Ocarina of Time counterpart. In that game, there is no known source of the song, yet Guru-Guru knows it. In Majora's Mask, there is no way for him to know it, but he does. It is a reference. A developer joke.Matt (Talk) 23:11, October 8, 2008 (UTC)

Trivia section

"A time paradox is created in Ocarina of Time. According to Guru Guru, Link played the Song of Storms as a child to speed up the windmill, yet Link is taught the song by Guru Guru. Because of this, it is not clear exactly how Link originally learned the song to have played it to Guru Guru in the first place. However, Guru Guru might somehow have the ability to exist outside of time for moments, therefore creating an effect similar to the Happy Mask Salesman in Majora's Mask."

Well, the author of this part might be right - if it's assumed time is a flexible, changable construct. However, the other interpretion of time is that it is constant and unchangable - so if you travel to the past and try to prevent something, it might be exactly that thing that caused the thing to exist in the future. Or in other words: Guru-Guru might have known the song in the future because Link did already teach it to him even though he didn't teach it to him yet in the past, but he will sometime in the future of the past (hard to explain) - Link is unable to change the future because time is supposed to be a set line of events. Or here a little chronic: Link's first arrival in Kakariko; first time meeting Guru Guru - time travel to the future and back - second meeting with Guru Guru, teaching him the Song of Storms - 7 years pass - third meeting with Guru Guru, he teaches Link the Song of Storms. I hope you get the point.

So what am I trying to say? There's not that much paradox in there.

Have fun wracking your brains thinking about where the Song of Storms actually came from in this whole circle and combining this "time is constant" business with the growth of Magic Beans. (-: Graf-Ganon 20:11, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Umm...what exactly are you suggesting? (And please don't swear)Justin(Talk) 20:41, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
That's a bit over-thinking it. It's a game. The developers don't go that complex. It's just a simple paradox. Nothing more or less.Matt (Talk) 18:30, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

What about making yellow floating things?

By "yellow floating things" I refer to those floating yellow fairy-like things that appear in OoT which do the exact same thing that fairies do, except they cannot be stored in bottles. In case you don't know what I'm talking about, you can find several of those around Hyrule, including one in the Lost Woods:

  • Go to where the entrance to Zora's Domain is.
  • Find the place where Navi turns green and flies around in circles.
  • Play the Song of Storms and a yellow, wingless fairy will appear.

Hfc2x 16:46, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Yellow? I've noticed the exact same thing (I think there's a spot in the Gerudo Training Grounds, too) but they just look like normal pink fairies without wings. They look like pink energy spheres. I'll add it to the page if it isn't there already. —Darkness(Talk) 17:38, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Pre-3DS versions I do know are pink like regular fairies. The 3DS does make the non-bottlable fairies yellow, probably to tell them apart from those that can be bottled...--Shiningpikablu252 21:59, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Just checked through an emulator, and those things are indeed pink in the N64 version (I only have the 3DS one). Anyways, they aren't mentioned anywhere in the wiki AFAIK. Hfc2x 00:24, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
They are now, courtesy of Darkness and Justin. :) — Hylian King [*] 00:27, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Also, I don't really know whether it's proper to call them "fairies", because they AREN'T fairies but... they can be easily mistaken for fairies (In Ocarina of Time) and basically serve the same purpose with two exceptions. So... What should we call them? —Darkness(Talk) 00:38, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Fairies. Just because they look different doesn't mean they aren't fairies. They're just a different kind of fairy. The official Nintendo Power guides call them fairies, anyway, and we generally resort to those when we lack decent sourcing, so...User:Justin/sig 00:57, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Of course, they move like fairies and mostly act like them. However they are different in many ways, but since there's no official term to describe them, Fairy is ok. Oh, and btw, in Death Mountain Trail (and some other places I don't remember), one of those appears by playing the Sun's Song, so they are not restricted to the Song of Storms either. hfc2X 01:10, 26 February 2013 (UTC)