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Truly Undead?

I seem to remember the SSBM trophy for these guys mentioning that they were not actually undead, but a physical incarnation of magic (or something like that.) Should this be mentioned? Onen 01:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

The Master Sword Trophy said that the Master Sword first appeared in Ocarina of Time, though it didn't. But it makes sense, since if they are undead, how can you kill them? User:Steven/sig 10:34, 1 August 2008 (EST)

I can see this discussion is several months old, but I'd like to revisit it. Firstly, this fact is never mentioned anywhere else but Super Smash Bros., and the problem with that is HAL didn't make Zelda. In fact, as Steven pointed out, they kind of have a reputation for trophies having false or less-than-true information - in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, the trophy for the Careening Dirigibug, a creature from the Pimkin series which floats in the air and drops bombs, says they occasionally drop duds, which is simply not true.
Not only do I doubt the credibility of this information, but you can see in the game that it's not entirely true: yeah, a lot of the residents from Castle Town moved to Kakariko, but where's the Bombchu Bowling lady? Where's that woman in the blue dress who was speaking to that old man that tells you about the House of Skulltula? Where's the little girl chasing the chicken? And what happened to those walls of people crowded around the market stands, and all the Hylian soldiers? You think nobody died when Ganondorf invaded the castle? I bet there were piles of corpses.
As for not being able to kill the undead, there are plenty of undead enemies in the games. We know the Stalchildren in Majora's Mask are dead soldiers, and you can kill them easily enough.
TL;DR: We should definitely keep the trophy info, but we shouldn't use it anywhere else in the article, unless it's made clear where it comes from. Jimbo Jambo 03:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
I agree completely. As far as I can tell, the canon games never state where ReDeads come from. So yeah, a "the trophy in Melee says" section could work, but it should not be passed off as canon information. User:Ando/sig 15:19, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Good like that, or do you think we should bump it down to the Super Smash Bros. Melee section? Jimbo Jambo 08:46, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes, that would be moved down to the section for Melee, we'll need some more information for the OoT section to fill in that gap, however.. Scratch that, the page will look nicer if that paragraph is moved.User:Steven/sig 13:45, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
The canon games say enough - both Majora's Mask (Ikana dancing troupe) and The Wind Waker (in the ReDead figure description) confirm that they are undead, which supports the notion that the Super Smash Bros. description isn't canonical. --The Warmaster 13:15, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Indeed. I went ahead and moved it since there were a couple of other fixes I wanted to make as well. So it's now in the Melee section. Nice catch there, Jimbo! User:Ando/sig 17:26, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Of course, now it seems Triforce Heroes is moving in that very direction Smash Bros suggested.. Probably as part of the ongoing censorship Japanese games are undergoing. It did seem conspicuous that Breath of the Wild had no undead humans, only skeletal monsters, and no ghosts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KairuHakubi 23:39, 12 December 2018

I seem to remember something, perhaps a strategy guide or maybe one of the supplement books, referring to ReDeads in Ocarina of Time as "mud dolls". This doesn't stop them from being undead (I think it's implied they're made of grave soil and animated with restless spirits, which lines up with some Japanese folklore), but is there another source to back it up? I believe the reasoning was to confirm that the ReDeads in Castle Town weren't the former inhabitants, since most of them show up in Kakariko later. --Otakuunitedstudio (talk) 16:32, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

this is why i hate the art

that game art pic looks nothing like the game! lol! Dragonstetraforce 21:02, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

its supost to be epic-ish. havent you seen the artwork of the first zelda game?--Master Deku 23:30, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Console Error

I was reading the first paragraph and noticed it said that Redeads have appeared in every console game since their debut but what about Four Swords Adventure? I remember Gibdos and Stalfos but not redeads. Is this an error or am I mistaken? Heroofstuff 16:21, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Hmm...nope, I believe you are correct. I don't remember ReDeads being there, either, so yeah, definitely a mistake.. Dany36 21:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Confirmed: ReDead Knights are Gibdos... Shall we move their section over?

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ゼルダの伝説_トワイライトプリンセス

According to Japan Wiki's article on Twilight Princess, they are Gibdos. Which makes sense, seeing as how they're mummified (a Gibdo trait) and carry the sword (as they did in their first appearance). I suppose they wanted to make them more unique in the 3D games rather than a supped-up ReDead. As to why they call them ReDead Knights in the player's guide, I have no idea (probably because at this point the ReDead namesake is more recognizable than Gibdo).

Therefore, I think we should move their section to the Gibdo article, and add only a mention of the American name in this article. The Legend of Zelda is a Japanese series, first and foremost - translations are peripheral to the creators' vision and when they've designed a Gibdo, they've designed a Gibdo. LinkTheLefty 05:29, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I see where you are coming from. The Japanese version lists the ReDead Knights as Gibdos, but since this wiki is solely representative of the American/English versions of the Zelda series, the American version must be used. And thus, the move should not be made, although, there is a mention of the Japanese name change in the ReDead article already. =) User:Cipriano 119/sig 05:33, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
I see. I understand that point of view, as well, and it only makes sense since it's an English Wiki. Well, as long as the article acknowledges the change rather than ignores it, it's a successful contribution, no? After all, fan translations go as far as to make or break theories in this fanbase, so why not extend this to series enemies? =p LinkTheLefty 16:20, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Most definitely! =DUser:Cipriano 119/sig 06:50, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

I feel it's strange to leave this here, let's make the ReDead Knight its own article!!? Jeangabin 07:55, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Do WW Redeads really eat each other?

Okay, this is part of the trivia and still in need of a citation. I've tried this out myself several times, by killing a Redead in the vicinity of another and then running far enough away so I'm not a disturbance... but nothing. Nada. Zilch. The Redead just isn't interested in the other's body. I know in OoT, Redeads would ignore you and huddle around their fallen friend, but I cannot for the life of me elicit this behaviour from WW Redeads. I was wondering if anyone else had actually managed to get this reaction from them, or if this is just a mere rumour and should be labelled as such. NorthApple 17:12, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Cursed Bokoblins

I added in a bit if trivia pointing out how Cursed Bokoblins are similar to ReDeads. May I ask why it was removed? Setras (talk) 04:26, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

I removed it because it is not trivia. If we listed similarities between enemies as trivia, then there would be 10 for each article saying how Hyrule Castle is similar to Princess Peach's Castle, or how Linebeck was probably inspired by the Old Man from The Legend of Zelda because they help you out but don't fight themselves. Pointless comparisons are just that: pointless. Champion of Nayru (talk) 05:30, 24 September 2013 (UTC)Champion of Nayru
I could accept that, except for the fact that the "similarity" between ReDeads and the SS versions of Skulltula was left up. If it is pointless to compare one zombie-like enemy that grabs and squeezes its prey to another, how is there any point in comparing said enemies to spiders, particularly when their attack patterns are only vaguely similar?
Also, I fail to see how comparing two similar types of enemies will cause trivia to denature into meaningless babble. And yes, perhaps they are "pointless" comparisons, but trivia is, by definition, pointless, so dismissing something on that basis is... well, pointless. Obviously, plucking something out of the air (like, "Link wears green, and is therefore a reference to Blanka from Street Fighter) is illogical and inaccurate; but I fail to see how saying "Cursed Bokoblins attack their prey in the same way ReDeads do, and so are the most similar creatures to them in-game" falls into the same category. Setras (talk) 12:51, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
The Skulltula note should be removed as well. If the similarity isn't so strong as to make it clear that one factored into the design discussion for the other (at which point it should be in the main article anyway), then it's really not worth talking about. Most trivia sections on wikis are...kinda shite, and serve to rot the brain like an encyclopedia equivalent of a marathon of commercials.KrytenKoro (talk) 16:18, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
To be honest, I probably should have removed the Skullatula one too. The reason I didn't was that I have yet to play Skyward Sword and can't confirm or deny it. I removed your's due to it including an opinion, "thus making them the closest life-forms to true ReDeads in the game." Actually I'm going to go delete the Skullatula one now, too. Champion of Nayru (talk) 18:03, 24 September 2013 (UTC)Champion of Nayru