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If swift blade the first was the hero of men wouldnt they have alluded to it by at least giving him green clothes? or some symbol or something in his dojo?--Remo 20:06, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

It is possible that he is also link in a future game, or at least that is what I think... gillispie

  • wait...the hero or swiftblade..if u mean the hero its not possible since Minish Cap takes place 100 years after he saved hyrule...if you mean swiftblade..then..hes dead so wont work.--Remo 21:35, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

he is not wearing green because he probrably became a knight after saving hyrule and therefore got normal clothes.Triluke 23:20, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

  • I don't think the hero really would have only one set of clothes ..remember it is a game so weather or not he became a knight doesn't really help that point. Also if they really wanted to show that he may be the hero of men whether or not he was a knight I think they would have put something there....of course maybe he really is and they didn't want to put anything there...though I doubt it --Remo 20:12, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

perhaps the stub thing should be removed, as the pictures on this article contain practically all information availible for this character. He is a filler character to give the game backstory and set it up for the release of the monsters by Vaati.--Magnus orion 00:58, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

But... he's wearing a green tunic. isn't that a symbol of The Hero of Time?

I've alwasy thought the hero of men was King Gustaf. I mean think about it perhaps he was the reason why the royal family is ruling now, because he saved the world (or kingdom or whatever). Also if Minish cap is the first game (seeing how Vaati let all those monsters out of that chest then the hero of men happening 100 years ago would work perfectly with my theory. --Heroofstuff 4:42, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I myself think that Ocarina of Time is still logically the first game in the series to date (though I could be wrong), simply for the fact that all the important events that set all the events of the other games into motion occur there. But I do agree that the Hero of Men could very likely be King Gustaf. Also, we are told in Ocarina of Time that the country was formed as a result of a civil war that took place when the Hero of Time was an infant, yet King Gustaf states at the time of Minish Cap that he ruled Hyrule "countless ages ago." I don't see how Minish Cap could precede Ocarina of Time if Hyrule was just founded as a unified country about 10 years before Ocarina of Time and yet King Gustaf says that he ruled Hyrule "countless ages ago" at the time of Minish Cap. Logically it's just not possible. Link87 01:36, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm...good point the only thing I can think of (which really doesn't make any since) would be at some point there was another spilt time line like in Oot. Other then that my theory seems to have plenty of holes in it. Heroofstuff 14:33, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Theory section

I noticed a whole bunch of points under the Gustaf heading in the theories section have been flagged. Because of the speculative nature of theory sections anyway, it's going to be hard to find any sort of references for these points. Should we just remove them? I think a lot of them are completely irrelevant to the debate anyway.

  1. He possessed the key Kinstone Piece necessary for one to retrieve the Wind Element from the Palace of Winds. (Irrelevant)
  2. He was obviously well-respected and influential even in isolated groups such as the Wind Tribe.  (Irrelevant)
  3. King Daltus' figurine states that he (a descendant of Gustaf himself) was a great swordsman in his youth and even fought to a draw with Smith in the Picori Festival sword-fighting tournament. (Irrelevant, being a good swordsman does not make on the Hero of Men).
  4. If swordsmanship runs in Daltus' line, then Gustaf was likely a competent swordsman as well, which the Hero of Men was noted to be. (Irrelevant, see above)
  5. Both of the Hero's tools used in the conflict were in one way or another in the possession of the Royal Family of Hyrule (the Picori Blade stuck in the Bound Chest and the Light Force residing in Hyrule's princess); Seeing that the Light Force originally belonged to the Hero of Men and was passed along the line of the Princesses of Hyrule thereafter, it would make sense that the Light Force got into the Princess' line through someone related to them. (Valid point)
  6. It would be fitting that as a reward for the Hero's actions in the conflict that he was perhaps made ruler of the young land of Hyrule and thus both of his tools used in the war were passed down his family line, with the Light Force ending up in the line of Princesses. (Speculative)
  7. It would mirror another instance in the series where a theorized former Hero returns from the grave to assist the new Hero in restoring peace to the land of Hyrule and defeating the same evil he himself fought, that other instance being the appearance of the Hero's Spirit (the theorized spirit of the Hero of Time) in Twilight Princess returning to help the new Hero defeat the same evil he himself fought (Ganondorf) provided the theory regarding the Hero's Spirit is true. (Uses another theory to support this one)

I honestly haven't heard large support for the Gustaf theory in the community. I first heard it in the Gametrailers timeline video, which included vast amounts of misinformation anyway. Ganondorfdude11 16:33, 29 April 2011 (EDT)

I don't understand it, but Gustaf seems to be the most contested character on this wiki in terms of theory. From the history, it seems that the theories have been flagged for some time now... the problem with Hero of Men/Gustaf theories is that there is BARELY any information provided in The Minish Cap about Daltus or Gustaf's past, including anything about any connection to the Hero of Men. The kings may not even be related to the Hero of Men - the legend may have taken place LONG before their coronation! It's a bunch of theory that's unfounded - I'd say to get rid of almost all of it, except for the 5th bullet, which is the only one that doesn't go too far off the deep end. Before you do anything though, make sure there's at least one other opinion besides mine, hopefully another admin or something. Good eye, GD11! — ciprianotalk 00:31, 2 May 2011 (EDT)
I absolutely agree. The whole thing is such a stretch. It seems to me like just briefly mentioning the theory will do. It does seem to be a theory floating around out there though, so removing it entirely wouldn't be a good idea (not to mention there'd be barely enough content left to deserve an article!). I say go for it. We have faith in your work. ;) — Hylian King [*] 08:05, 2 May 2011 (EDT)
Gustaf claims he was King of Hyrule "ages ago", while the Minish Cap starts with the 100th annual Picori Festival. This would mean there's exactly 100 years between the Hero of Men and Link, while "ages" implies much more than that. Klerdet (talk) 23:01, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
Whoops, my bad, it was the 100th annual Picori Festival since the last time they showed up. So, could be 300 years ago or 2000. No real way to tell. Klerdet (talk) 13:43, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

So... I guess we decided to excise the Theory Section altogether? The two theories of the Hero Of Men being Swiftblade I or an incarnation of Link were the ones that stuck the closest to what was said in-game, so... maybe bring those two back, unless even Swiftblade I is a stretch?
-Mugen Kagemaru (talk) 19:49, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

I don't believe either of those would be allowed per our Theory Guidelines. TriforceTony (talk) 19:56, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

skyward sword link?

i played minish cap over again three times then when skyward sword was annonced i thought that the hero of men was skyward sword link becaus the hero of men got the sword from the sky as it says in the intro of the minish cap--Ruchq 14:27, 22 August 2011 (EDT)