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When Granté Appears

I can safely confirm that he appears WELL BEFORE Hudson and Rhondson's wedding, which completes the sidequest.
Sadly, I can never remember exactly which flag in the sidequest also makes him appear.
If anyone tests it and finds out when, I would appreciate it if they edited it into the article.
-Mugen Kagemaru (talk) 04:04, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

I believe the house he lives in was constructed when Fyson was recruited. So I'd guess before Kapson and the wedding, but after Greyson, Pelison and Rhondson.Argentum kurodil (talk) 11:04, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
It would seem some testing is warranted, if anyone can get around to it and confirm the exact point he appears.
-Mugen Kagemaru (talk) 02:10, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

"Half Sheikah" heritage?

Aren't Jerrin and Robbie both Sheikah? Or is there some dialogue that I missed where it says that he's half Hylian? If there is any, could someone please put the quote on the page somewhere to confirm it? - Whyguyswhy (talk) 20:02, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Jerrin is a blonde, which Granté inherited, while even young Sheikah, like Paya and Purah, have gray or silver hair. And before anyone points out how SS!Impa was also a blonde, remember that appearances differ between games. Remember, Sheik retained Zelda's blonde hair despite pretending to be a Sheikah whereas her Impa was also a young silver mane.
-Mugen Kagemaru (talk) 20:58, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
There is no dialogue anywhere that points towards him or Jerrin being part/full hylian. The only reason people claim it is because of their hair colour, despite other factors pointing towards them being Sheikah, such as wearing clothes that only Sheikah can wear, and Hylians cannot. However, these edits are always reverted for some reason.Argentum kurodil (talk) 11:30, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
I ask for evidence that only Sheikah are ALLOWED to wear such garb. Perhaps Jerrin and Granté are allowed because of their relationships with Robbie?
-Mugen Kagemaru (talk)
I have a reference.[1] This also applies to the umbrella hats that some members wear when outside.[2] Granté doesn't wear a hat, but it never rains in Tarrey Town, and Paya also doesn't wear one when outside. I might also add a quote from Creating a Champion about Sheikah clothing from page 107: "I gave their outfits a very Japanese aesthetic so you could distinguish them from other characters in the game at a glance." Argentum kurodil (talk) 20:42, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Sagessa's quote could easily refer to the umbrella hats alone, and again, perhaps Robbie got some clothes, didn't say who for, and gave them to Jerrin? Granté can be covered easy as Robbie's offspring.
-Mugen Kagemaru (talk) 00:54, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
Jerrin can't have been, theoretically, accepted because of her relationship with Robbie because she lived in Kakariko Village prior to training with Purah. After training with Purah, she returned to Kakariko Village, and was sent to Akkala by Impa. Argentum kurodil (talk) 20:48, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
We never see Jerrin before her relationship with Robbie, so we have no room to assume that she was given the clothes beforehand. It's also not an issue for Hylians to inhabit Kakariko Village, they just aren't inherently accepted or trusted because of the insular nature of the Sheikah. They otherwise wouldn't allow anyone to shop, travel through, or sleep at the Shuteye Inn in the Village. We see all of these take place in-game. TriforceTony (talk) 21:10, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Sagessa's quote could easily refer to the umbrella hats alone, and again, perhaps Robbie got some clothes, didn't say who for, and gave them to Jerrin? Granté can be covered easy as Robbie's offspring.
-Mugen Kagemaru (talk) 00:54, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
Went and talked to Jerrin and re-read Robbie's Diary just prior to writing this, but the only confirmed time Jerrin lived in Kakariko was between training with Purah and going to work for Robbie. There is no evidence that she ever lived in Kakariko prior to her training. Other than talking about Robbie, Granté, or Link's need to visit the Zuna Kai Shrine on Skull Lake, she doesn't talk about anything else.
-Mugen Kagemaru (talk) 00:54, 15 February 2020 (UTC) Updated 19:35, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
I don't see how Sagessa's quotes can possibly be referring to the umbrella hats. Note that she states that it is the clothes which are Sheikah-exclusive and waterproof. Dorian also says that their clothes specifically are waterproof. And are you suggesting that a random Hylian was somehow brought under Purah's wing as an assistant? It seems a little more likely if said assistant was a Sheikah, what with the Sheikah being the untrusting group that they are, and the research topic being Sheikah Technology. And if it was only the husband that allowed them to be part of the clan, then why would Rola have the gall, the audacity, to walk out on Cado? Note that it was Rola who caused the separation, not Cado, as can be seen on page 1 of the Journal of Various Worries. Argentum kurodil (talk) 22:32, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
I have no idea why you're blaming Rola other than the fact that you apparently misread the page. Page 1 very literally says that Cado left her, not the other way around. She only confronted him about prioritizing Cuccos over their own marriage and it was he who made the "audacious" choice to break it off. Rola wouldn't necessarily be banished from the clan simply from a marital dispute, especially if she had already been integrated. It's definitely not the case that Rola would be banished as even Sheikah can grow to become distrusted, which is to say that it's a much more intricate dynamic than you're making it out to be.

The Sheikah are generally distrusting but it's not impossible for them to work alongside Hylians (and we're talking about individuals here). They did so just before the second Great Calamity. As I already said and proved, they do business with Hylians all the time and have no qualms doing so. Dealing with Ancient Technology requires a greater level of scrutiny of course but Link's history and reunion with them proves that it's possible for them to grow to trust outsiders. There's many assumptions we can make about Jerrin's past but it's simply not impossible for her to have become Purah's assistant before meeting and marrying Robbie. TriforceTony (talk) 23:10, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
Maybe my understanding is lacking, but I thought The Bow Master writing "Well, my wife left me today" would mean that Rola is the one who decided upon the separation. Cado apparently waits for Rola to return to him after she left; this can be seen when you wait in his house and he enters, saying something along the lines of "Rola! You came back" (I'll get the exact quote). Other bits of text such as "My wife left me a while ago... All this time I've been waiting for her to come back. Ha. Joke's on me. Ha... Ha ha..." also show that Rola broke the marriage up.

Mistrust between Hylians and Sheikah would be cyclical. The Hylians wouldn't trust elusive Sheikah as their technology burned the land, and the Sheikah wouldn't trust the Hylians much not only because that is their culture, but because the Hylian King ordered the excavation, sentencing many Sheikah to their death, even if inadvertently. Argentum kurodil (talk) 13:31, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
Can confirm it was Rola who left Cado, because he "chose the Cuccos" as he so puts it as "The Bow Master" though my question is, What does Rola leaving Cado have to do with whether Jerrin is Sheikah or Hylian?
-Mugen Kagemaru (talk) 11:49, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
@TriforceTony: It was in the aftermath of the First Great Calamity (10 thousand years ago) that the incident between the Hylians and the Sheikah occurred, as evidenced by two Recovered Memories revealing that the Yiga Clan already existed, and was active, prior to the Second Great Calamity 100 years ago. After all, said incident was the reason the Yiga Clan was formed.[3] The fear the Hylians had for the Sheikah wasn't because Ganon corrupted the Guardians and Divine Beasts, but because the Guardians and Divine Beasts possessed such awesome power, as we see in the game. And as Ganon's corruption demonstrated, it wasn't exactly an empty fear.
-Mugen Kagemaru (talk) 11:49, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
We were debating Rola leaving Cado because, if it is the husband who is their link to the clan, then actively leaving the husband may compromise connections. (Rola and Jerrin are in the same boat, after all) Yet Rola is still there, running a business after leaving Cado. I do wonder if Rola was there before the marriage, due to her being Sheikah. This is because she says she doesn't get many customers, and the young folk don't have much use for a bow. This implies she did have customers previously (Cado) and that is how the relationship started. If you married into a family as a fletcher, you wouldn't charge your archer husband, as he is direct family. Argentum kurodil (talk) 23:04, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Except Rola is a Sheikah as well, she wouldn't be banished for leaving Cado, they'd just live separately within the village.
-Mugen Kagemaru (talk) 16:06, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
That is correct, and occurred, but TriforceTony believes her to be Hylian as well due to not having white hair, despite the Yiga Clan also having black hair. If Rola is Sheikah, why can Jerrin not be? The best reference to her being Hylian is a joke she made about having a Sheikah-nose transplant. She had a child with an esteemed, venerable Sheikah, Robbie. Nowhere has it been explicitly stated that Sheikah can breed with Hylians, but they can breed with other Sheikah. Paya mentions Sheikah with long lineage having the eye tattooed on their foreheads, but if it is a bloodline thing, where is Purah's? She is the older sister, after all. The holy monks have it, as does the ex-royal adviser turned leader of the Sheikah, and the next in line to leadership, but no-one else.
As you said, appearances differ between games, and as this is the first time the Sheikah appear as a fully-fledged race, they are sure to vary slightly. I did the maths. There are exactly 277 Sheikah in BotW. You cannot possibly expect them all to have white hair. Sure, page 101 of CaC says they are characterised by white hair, and 18 of the 21 overworld Sheikah met have white hair, but it does not say "white hair means Sheikah, and no white hair means Hylian". We also see Hylians with white hair: Baumar, Mina, Ronn, Pondo, Letty, Joute, Teli etc. Diversity does occur within all races; page 133 of CaC states "The Gerudo have brilliant red hair and brown skin" yet Teake, Calyban and Ashai have white skin, with Ashai also having pink hair, yet they are Gerudo. What I'm saying is BotW NPCs are unique, and I consider a blonde Sheikah to be not so far-fetched.Argentum kurodil (talk) 11:51, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Looking back at it, there are slightly more than 277 Sheikah. Here is how I got that number, for proof:
15 Kakariko Villagers
2 Hateno Researchers
2 Akkala Researchers
1 Tarrey Town Resident
1 Traveling Painter
4 Great Plateau Monks
116 Monks
7 Sword Monks
4 DLC Great Plateau Monks
3 Mipha's Song Monks
3 Daruk's Song Monks
3 Revali's Song Monks
3 Urbosa's Song Monks
1 Maz Koshia
10 Blademaster Hideout Guards (4 actors overlap in divine beast and DLC, 3 are exclusive to each)
6 Footsoldier Hideout Guards(first 2 actors are replaced in DLC with others)
5 Karusa Valley Archers
3 Archers in camp between Sapphia's Table and Zirco Mesa
1 Thief Blademaster (referred to as Kakariko Hoju)
1 Master Kohga
16 Static Travelers (I think 2 are merchants, 1 by Lurelin Village and 1 by Lanayru Wetlands)
58 potential ambush/archer Footsoldiers
12 potential ambush Blademasters
+ Uncertain amount of random Travelers who walk and can be found in places such as outside Hateno Village or on the Digdogg Suspension Bridge

My point still stands, however. Although, I am curious as to why this hasn't been challenged yet. Have I convinced you, or am I just impatient?Argentum kurodil (talk) 11:54, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. "I wish this rain would take a hint and lay off for a while... The folks in Kakariko Village have really amazing clothes that let them work out in the rain with no problem. Amazing! But only the Sheikah people can wear 'em, so they won't sell us any..." — Sagessa (Breath of the Wild)
  2. "Look at you, out in the rain with no umbrella! I'd lend you mine, but it's actually a special umbrella... Only members of the Sheikah tribe are permitted to use it. Sorry... Please mind you don't catch a cold, OK?" — Mellie (Breath of the Wild)
  3. "Our creations came to be viewed as a threat to the Kingdom. The Sheikah became outcasts, forced into exile. [...] Others fostered a hatred toward the kingdom that shunned them. These sad souls swore their allegiance to Ganon. They now call themselves the Yiga Clan." — Cado (Breath of the Wild)